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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein so we kind of predicted this

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last week here and and after the para

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cast a lot of you listeners would have

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comments with regard to david's tenets

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and his revelation so to speak that he

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has fundamentalist religious views that

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would late to UFOs the UFOs are the

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spawn of the devil and he reported that

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somebody claimed that if you recite what

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biblical texts to the UFO I banish you

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in the name of Jesus something like that

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yes

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you know it doesn't hurt me at all you

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know people have been banishing me for

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years and I just don't listen yeah you

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like a bad penny that's right I never

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listen but it predictably brought lots

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and lots of discussions over to our

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forums so you go to forum dr. Peric

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ascom some people have gotten a little

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less than kind

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we had a womb who came on the forums and

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called me a dick for my attitude towards

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thinit she's no longer active in the

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forums by the way you know I think the

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definition of that particular new poster

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was I think you call them a troll is

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that is that correct that's the reason

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for banning do you want to find role in

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terms of message boards if somebody

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looking for a fight

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basically it's something that goes back

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what twenty thirty years to the original

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Usenet message forums online

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where people would join forums just to

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start an argument that's it they're

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looking for trouble they're trolling for

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trouble and therefore they are trolls

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and the way we handle them over at the

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power cast forums is where shall we say

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benevolent dictators

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it's our forum but we give people

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freedom to express themselves

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if they get a little excessive we warn

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them if they get too excessive and just

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won't give it up we tell them to leave

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we show them the door we banned them

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ouch I remember a former co-host of the

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show would call me every few months and

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say would you please ban me from the

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forums I'm afraid I'm going to say too

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much yeah personally I've never had to

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go there so we all get angry but

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sometimes a lot of these wacky messages

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come really late at night so I get up in

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bed and I have nothing to do I can't go

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back to sleeps right pick up my iphone

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and I start checking the messages and

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that's where you get the really wacky

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ones the ones that can be very abusive

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argumentative and at that point I either

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want to go back to sleep or I get up go

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to my main computer and start posting a

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response which of course is a bad idea

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because I never get back to sleep

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yeah I guess note to self don't engage

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in internet discourse late at night I

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think that's where things happen that's

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where it goes so I guess we can hope

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that if we ever want to explore the

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subject of UFOs and demons again we'll

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bring on the guest who can give us some

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give and take yes we've had several

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suggestions in our thread guest

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suggestions for the para cast I've been

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in touch with Michael Heizer I believe

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buzz how you pronounce his name he's

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been suggested by a number of our

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foreign posters and he sent us copies of

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Part one and Part two of his did you get

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copies Jing probably but don't ask me

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for the name of the book of hand

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The Prodigy series I think I have not

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cracked it I I'm it's like high up on my

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stack of to read books and we will get

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better I think more informed opinion

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about this particular Noah point of view

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if you will on the phenomena or

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phenomenon we'll go ahead and book him

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he's really tough to get a hold of

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though he has these automatic made it

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answering programs and say I'm a really

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busy guard and so many people contact me

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pardon me if I don't get back to you

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right away and but much to his credit he

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my emails even though it took him

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several weeks to do so and we got copies

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of his book or his the first two of this

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series so we're gonna go ahead and do

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that and then get back to Michael and in

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a few weeks or months we'll have a gun I

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just hope he doesn't take that much time

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between responses to questions you know

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you ask him a question he sits there for

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three days

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no I have a feeling he is quite

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johnny-on-the-spot with his opinions

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that's good we need that we need the

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kind of people who if you ask them a

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hard question that we're spy it may not

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be the response you want but it'll be a

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response speaking of not getting the

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response you want as you know there been

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ongoing attempts to force so-called

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disclosure in the UFO field and the

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latest effort from Steven Bassett is to

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get a hundred thousand signatures on a

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petition demanding UFO disclosure and he

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wants to get this done by what

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mid-february so it means he's gonna have

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to rush pretty much to get it let's get

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real I mean this is just grandstanding

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it's the it's not the executive branch

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of the judicial branch that really would

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you know be the place to go you need to

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go to the Congress of the United States

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to get any sort of action any hearings

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any sort of movement on this particular

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issue petitioning the White House is

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like trying to petition the Supreme

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Court it's just it's just grandstanding

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well we understand that and then if it

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got to Congress do you think Mitch

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McConnell and John Boehner are going to

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be at all interested in pursuing that

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right now they're doing everything they

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can to as they say reverse the agenda of

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the Democratic President Obama so

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they're so busy doing that how are they

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going to have time to have hearings on

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UFOs you know they've got to have

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hearings again I guess on repealing

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Obamacare or the immigration policies

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and all this other stuff consider that

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consider how serious this is

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and the chances that they would hold

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hearings and if they did what chance is

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there that it would be any bet

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the hearings back in the 60s it gave us

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the Condon Commission right no boy I

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don't think there's a proverbial

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snowball's chance in hell I think would

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be the term but but I want to know who

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is Steven Bassett where did this guy

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come from part in 1996 we know nothing

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about this guy I mean I've known Steven

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for a number of years and he's very he's

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very slippery very Teflon nothing will

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he sticks to him and I'd like I'd like

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to dive into his past and and really

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find out who this guy is because we

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really don't have any any sort of

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background information on him prior to

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about 15 20 years ago

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I mean who is this guy now supposedly he

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had some kind of management consulting

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experience supposedly but we don't have

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any records we don't know what schools

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he went to we don't even know frankly if

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the name he was known by then was Steven

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i accusing him of anything I understand

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he's a nice guy I've been in touch with

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him on and off over the years

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I like Steven he's he's uh he's fun to

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hang out with

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he's intellectually challenging he's

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he's very glib he's gotten an answer

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pretty much for any question that you

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throw at him but you know his manner is

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very circuitous he kind of goes around

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in circles a lot and but does it with a

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lot of savoir faire and Jenay sake why I

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think would be the term he's he's a

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mover and a shaker but who is this guy

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now there's one other thing to consider

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here there have been published reports

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that he may have encountered some

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financial difficulties in continuing his

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work as a lobbyist and I think there's

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some reporting and financial

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requirements he has to meet I don't know

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if it's true I'm not going to accuse him

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of anything it's just a point speaking

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of points we have back this week our

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friend Greg Bishop and we're going to do

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kind of a 2014 roundup or just revisit a

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lot of the key issues in the UFO field

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this should be interesting it would

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because we always know that Greg is

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going to offer an entertaining

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presentation he's going we're not going

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to hold back anything you know he's

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rather circumspect about what he says

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and how he says it but you know Steven

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did spend I think a year or two out

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there and Greg's neck of the woods

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actually within a mile or two of him so

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it should be interesting maybe they had

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you know weekly lunches over at a

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delicatessen or something made in Al's

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in Beverly Hills who knows but by the

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way Natan Al's is not paying for that

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segment in that advertising in any case

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we've got and delivering a corned beef

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sandwich to us in Arizona wouldn't be a

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terribly convenient thing to do Greg

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Bishop coming along with Gene and Kris

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you're in the para cast first game

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attack of the rockets and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at Rocko its calm that's Rocko

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it's our Ock oids calm so here's what

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you there from Midas resources are you

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tired of watching your hard-earned

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assets twin Deloitte as government

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spending is out of hand and the Federal

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billion a week are you tired of stock

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brokers gambling away your hard-earned

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money is this market a setup for a crash

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greater than 19

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87 to many of today's policies resemble

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those that led to the collapse of 1929

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this is John Hamner and that was me in

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2007 and we all know what happened when

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the subprime credit bubble burst by

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March 2009 the dollar lost 50% of its

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value the entire US banking system was

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on the verge of collapsing like all

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financial problems of the past this

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history about to repeat itself

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months but only 60% of those studied

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sought out the services of a lawyer who

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we're joined now by the one and only

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Greg Bishop and the reason he's the only

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Greg Bishop is because once they built

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him they threw away the mold is that

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right Greg I think so there's a since

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I've been online there's like three or

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four there Greg bishops ones like a dad

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advocate one's a former football player

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for the New York Jets and they're like

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there's another guy it's a magician or

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something so there's plenty of them but

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only one me actually there are other

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people named gene Steinberg believe it

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or not what do they do

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well I don't know but you know I just

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I'm afraid every day that I'll be caught

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and they'll find out I'm they think I'm

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doing what those people are doing yeah

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just like one of my favorite movies

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Brazil the Terry Gilliam film right yeah

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you'll get a 27b stroke 6 and they'll

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they'll come in and they'll come and

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take you away with a bag over your head

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well that's ok because I want to show my

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face anyway yeah he's got a great face

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for radio

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speak for yourself Chris but you have

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you know your entire demeanor you know

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it's kind of a public persona Chris I

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prefer to be anonymous it's more fun

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this way nobody knows what I look like

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yeah what I kind of know you know they

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have that picture of me yeah the shadow

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knows you know I tried for the longest

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time just not to have my picture or

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anything about me online and then it

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just becomes impossible after a while

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well they've got a picture of me wearing

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us

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and I have to tell you folks I don't

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wear suits because my face made me look

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about five years older and they put a

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suit jacket on me and it's all a

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Photoshop composite it's a fake in

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furtherance of what I have no idea well

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that's kind of wacky because what are

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they gonna blackmail I have no money to

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give ya but she got that little be shown

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well that right now that's not what

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you're hearing now what you're hearing

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now is that one of the dogs in the

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neighborhood you see that if you hear

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it's more of a guttural sound teddy

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bears bark is more like a tenner bark

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you see do you have a dog Greg do not

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have a dog most dogs I do not like

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there's a few I like I just fight you a

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dog sit for my paragliding instructors

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whippets I got along with them great

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because they were basically silent they

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didn't really they didn't really have

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too much smell about them because they

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hardly have any hair and if I actually

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took them out and let them run for like

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five minutes rest of the day just laid

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on the couch they're kind of like cats

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and dogs outfits at least a personality

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so I got along with them great I kind of

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worried that my son wouldn't like that

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what we call his adopted brother but we

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he came over here and they just hit it

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off beautifully they really dug each

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other well that's good you never know

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it's like that well this is not even a

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fair representation do you guys know

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that comic John Mulaney

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no okay he has a joke where he says I

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had a girlfriend and I thought maybe my

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girlfriend would like to meet other

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women that I knew I just didn't work out

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he goes you can't for certain people

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together I just it doesn't work what was

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his joke oh he says they he said you

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couldn't have like an Ocean's eleven

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with all women because about every every

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ten minutes to would run off to talk

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hey death the truth people are wondering

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this is supposed to be a paranormal

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radio show and what are we talking about

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talking about dogs and stuff fine with

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me I mean you know there's all kinds of

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stuff going on dogs can be paranormal

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too I suppose

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right Rupert Sheldrake yes exactly

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is he still having problems with is more

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for genetic resonance sceptic people be

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presented it I'm just an idiot so I just

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thought that looks pretty interesting

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and it you know it drives with a lot of

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anecdotal evidence for instance our cat

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way before my wife comes home she'll go

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sit go to the door just sit there and

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wait and it's before she's even driven

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anywhere near the neighborhood and she

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doesn't come home at the same time every

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night so if she doesn't well I was gonna

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say it's probably a timing thing no it's

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not that's interesting yeah yes

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experiment you know about his experiment

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right they the gist of it was they

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wanted to see if there was any anecdotal

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evidence it of evidence that match the

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anecdotal evidence I know dogs knew when

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their owners were coming home so I put a

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camera on the dogs and they and they and

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a timer and they also had the people the

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owners out doing whatever they're doing

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with the timer on I guess they started

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it when they left and what they found

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was what when the dogs did go sit down

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and wait for the owners to come back

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they didn't do it right before they got

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home or when they heard the car or

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anything like that they did it when the

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prone er made the decision to come home

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the owner said oh I think I'm gonna go

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home now and gets in the car and comes

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back and when they made that decision

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the dogs that were doing that would get

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up from whatever they were doing walk to

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the door and sit down away wow that's

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cool yeah so it's been replicated or not

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it's probably pretty easy to look up no

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that's a great idea well that that's

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what Sheldrake got into some hot water

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with some of his colleagues

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yeah Sheldrake got into some hot water

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with his colleagues for his work on

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trying to test that very thing whether

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pets were psychic or not and you know I

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guess there was no no support let's put

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it that way for that kind of work within

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in his particular corner of the

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scientific community and and he got into

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some hot water and then I think recently

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wasn't it last year that he was think

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immigrant Hancock if I remember

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correctly were we were censored from Ted

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from the TED talks yeah yeah I heard

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about that yeah and all that great and

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raised quite an uproar of course as you

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mentioned before Rupert Sheldrake is

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fairly well known for his idea of

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morphic morphogenetic fields yeah for

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genacore more for genetic resonance yeah

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right and which is you know like the

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monkeys on the North Island of of Japan

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the all discovering simultaneously that

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if you have a sand covered potato if you

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dipped it in the water in the ocean

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you could then wash the sand off and and

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of course if if it's just a family of

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monkeys you could you could understand

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them being able to just learn by

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observing but all the monkeys all of a

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sudden were able to do this even miles

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away so you came up with this idea that

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there is you know this kind of morphic

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field that animals and people even can

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tap into impossible even plants yeah

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well it would explain a lot of things

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and a lot of inventions happening the

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same time and a lot of so-called what's

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the word evolutionary or intellectual

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jumps in our in our development all

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kinds of thing and I you know I don't

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know for sure if it's these are true or

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anything but I I believe like you just

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said with the monkeys it is it's sort of

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testable by looking at the right kind of

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data I would suppose right right and

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being able to have somebody else you

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know do something similar and replicate

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the results yeah either that or like you

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know teach a bunch of crows to do a

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certain thing and then go on the other

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side of the world with other crows and

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see if they did the same thing yeah some

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kind of racial consciousness it sounds

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like to me yeah racial or whatever a

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species conscious be see calm

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I think would be a better term we're

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talking to Greg Bishop and therefore

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we're trying to catch up on 2014 and

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just talking just having fun

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you know we're having kind of this I

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don't know I don't know what it is

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except to say with gene and Chris you're

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in the better cast

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free from the shackles of Corporate

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Greg Bishop joins us and we're having a

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about a few other things in this wacky

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field in which were involved okay what's

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on your list that's on my list okay I

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don't know if you listen to by the way

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last week's show with David Stinnett no

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okay now he's associated with his New

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Jersey UFO conference in southern Jersey

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hmm and we thought he was a pretty

638
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straight ahead guy yeah and then we

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start talking to him and about

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two-thirds through the show we suddenly

641
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find out that he has shall we say

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alright no problem with it a

643
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fundamentalist religious approach to

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UFOs the UFOs are demonic and he was

645
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starting to recite a case where somebody

646
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recited some kind of prayer or in the

647
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name of the Lord told the UFOs to go

648
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away during one particular instance and

649
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they did oh yeah I've heard that too

650
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there's some people down in Florida that

651
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well they're all over the country but

652
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some people I met down in Florida with

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us or the same way which is which is

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fine like I said I don't have anything

655
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against it it's just that I don't really

656
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care to talk to those people because

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their minds are locked into one way of

658
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looking at things and the most

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interesting people to me or the people

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that either challenge me themselves or

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everybody else with new ideas with it

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they're good or not at least it's

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variety and things are allowed to evolve

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as soon as you make up your mind about

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something it turns to stone you and you

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stop growing and you have to sit there

667
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and defend yourself against all these

668
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people who don't agree with you to the

669
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point after a while where you start to

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look silly or you don't learn anything

671
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which is even worse what happened here

672
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is we tried to ask him some meaningful

673
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questions and just wouldn't answer them

674
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he was so wedded to this belief and I

675
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felt it kind of familiar because my late

676
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uncle Lewis Kaplan who was a Jew for

677
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Jesus kind of had this similar opinion

678
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yeah yeah I don't know fundamentalist

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thinking see when people say

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fundamentals they think religious it's

681
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like no fundamentalist thinking is

682
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anybody that's locked into a certain way

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of

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their experience and they never change

685
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it and it's usually based on a book or

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their interpretation of a book and I do

687
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my best to stay away from that as much

688
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as possible speaking of which what about

689
00:29:43,030 --> 00:29:40,340
the disclosure movement that's being

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wedded to a particular belief and now we

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have as a matter of fact there's a

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thread in the forum where they mentioned

693
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again how Steven Bassets trying to get

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this petition going with a hundred

695
00:29:57,940 --> 00:29:55,640
thousand names demanding disclosure say

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out to the president uh-huh where's that

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gonna take even if he gets the hundred

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thousand names they will be ignored

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I can guarantee it'll be ignored

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eating ignored publicly I don't know if

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I'll be ignored privately but I don't

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think anything will happen I don't think

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anything will happen behind the scenes

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because it's just not important to a lot

705
00:30:20,410 --> 00:30:18,260
of people it's not important to people

706
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:20,420
getting reelected it's not important to

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the power structure it's not important

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00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:24,830
on a lot of levels so it's just

709
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important to a few people who thinks who

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think it's really important politically

711
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yeah and the other thing and I've said

712
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this many times on my show in other

713
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places is if the disclosure people don't

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hear I don't talking about them as a

715
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group I guess but if they don't hear the

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disclosure they want in the way they

717
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want to hear it they're gonna say it's a

718
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cover-up so they've already made up

719
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their mind what's going to be disclosed

720
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and that may not be what the information

721
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is or what the secret is or whatever you

722
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want to call it the the truth

723
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quote-unquote about UFOs or some kind of

724
00:31:01,180 --> 00:30:59,660
non-human presence I think there is a

725
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:01,190
non-human presence I think there are

726
00:31:05,770 --> 00:31:03,050
unidentified flying objects that might

727
00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:05,780
be associated with them but I don't

728
00:31:09,370 --> 00:31:06,830
think the government knows much more

729
00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:09,380
than that there may have been crashed

730
00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:12,380
saucers or crashed air craft or

731
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:14,600
something I have no idea but I also

732
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,250
think they have no control over the

733
00:31:20,110 --> 00:31:18,080
subject they have no control over where

734
00:31:22,030 --> 00:31:20,120
it goes they have no control over how

735
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:22,040
people experience it it's very

736
00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:24,410
individualistic which is very scary for

737
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:25,750
somebody who wants to run things

738
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therefore for all these reasons and like

739
00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:31,820
I said I could be wrong I think what

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00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:35,000
would be disclosed would not be what

741
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:36,559
people would expect

742
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:39,769
that make sense I can think so yeah the

743
00:31:43,299 --> 00:31:41,450
other thing is here as long as the

744
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government feels they don't represent a

745
00:31:48,009 --> 00:31:46,070
threat right that yeah variance the key

746
00:31:49,779 --> 00:31:48,019
right there they don't represent a

747
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,789
threat in as much as they don't

748
00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:51,679
represent a threat why are we worrying

749
00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:53,720
about it yeah forget about we've got

750
00:31:58,299 --> 00:31:55,549
other problems we've got the Keystone

751
00:32:01,889 --> 00:31:58,309
pipeline we've got the immigration law

752
00:32:03,879 --> 00:32:01,899
yeah we got Russia getting nasty we got

753
00:32:07,239 --> 00:32:03,889
fundamentalist thinking causing people

754
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:07,249
to die we've got all kinds of things

755
00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:10,129
we've got very vague threats to the

756
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:11,720
power structure although not nearly as

757
00:32:16,810 --> 00:32:14,330
much as there used to be but yeah yeah

758
00:32:19,899 --> 00:32:16,820
world ride wide threats like the country

759
00:32:22,049 --> 00:32:19,909
being in debt 18 trillion dollars could

760
00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:22,059
put a damper on a lot of things and

761
00:32:27,369 --> 00:32:24,590
render a lot of things kind of not

762
00:32:29,649 --> 00:32:27,379
important yeah so for all those reasons

763
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:29,659
they can get as many signatures as they

764
00:32:37,330 --> 00:32:32,690
want and unless it's going to change

765
00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:37,340
society in some way to either not to not

766
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:38,990
say anything so they have to do it or to

767
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:41,450
say something then it's it's just not

768
00:32:44,529 --> 00:32:42,080
gonna happen

769
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:44,539
I don't think I think it's a bunch of

770
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:45,769
wasted effort that could be better

771
00:32:51,609 --> 00:32:49,519
served trying to look at the promise

772
00:32:53,399 --> 00:32:51,619
tree and maybe different you know in

773
00:32:55,899 --> 00:32:53,409
looking at it in different ways and

774
00:32:57,639 --> 00:32:55,909
trying to solve it that way I've gotten

775
00:33:00,340 --> 00:32:57,649
to the point where I think it's the big

776
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:00,350
groups and and big organizations are

777
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:03,919
really bad for the UFO subject and

778
00:33:08,919 --> 00:33:05,809
figuring out what it is because any

779
00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:08,929
large group they like George Carlin says

780
00:33:11,769 --> 00:33:10,340
they start talking all the same and they

781
00:33:14,109 --> 00:33:11,779
all start to wear the same hat and all

782
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:14,119
that they get a Dogma and that Dogma

783
00:33:18,970 --> 00:33:16,970
just it it solidifies and they don't see

784
00:33:20,919 --> 00:33:18,980
anything else and if we know anything

785
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:20,929
about the UFO subject we know that it's

786
00:33:26,859 --> 00:33:25,129
it's not it if it conforms to almost

787
00:33:29,889 --> 00:33:26,869
anybody's idea of what it is

788
00:33:31,869 --> 00:33:29,899
but you know it mirrors your

789
00:33:34,779 --> 00:33:31,879
expectations of what's supposed to be

790
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:34,789
right exactly and the expectation is

791
00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:37,090
aliens coming from other planets and

792
00:33:42,940 --> 00:33:40,190
while that's that's a viable option it's

793
00:33:45,549 --> 00:33:42,950
I'm I and a lot of people are tired of

794
00:33:47,649 --> 00:33:45,559
it and it'd be nice to hear other points

795
00:33:49,030 --> 00:33:47,659
of view and other ways of looking at it

796
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:49,040
in other ways of

797
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:51,890
affecting it or at least affecting how

798
00:33:56,380 --> 00:33:54,710
we think of it well this is an

799
00:33:59,050 --> 00:33:56,390
interesting thing to talk about here

800
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,060
whether the phenomenon reflects what we

801
00:34:05,380 --> 00:34:02,240
expected to do and sends it back to us

802
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:05,390
or is leading us somewhere I don't know

803
00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:07,850
if it's leading us anywhere it it maybe

804
00:34:13,060 --> 00:34:11,240
it also to me it's more like I wrote

805
00:34:14,409 --> 00:34:13,070
something about this once a UFO mystic

806
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:14,419
it's like it might be that the

807
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:17,929
phenomenon is conscious it is composed

808
00:34:24,490 --> 00:34:20,690
of some sort of intelligence but it's

809
00:34:28,899 --> 00:34:24,500
just there like wind and waves and trees

810
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:28,909
are and in our interaction with it many

811
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:33,649
things arise and probably weigh up like

812
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:36,169
95% of it has to do with what we're

813
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:37,490
thinking or what's going through our

814
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:40,010
minds and very little of it may have to

815
00:34:44,379 --> 00:34:42,050
do with what what the phenomenon is

816
00:34:46,090 --> 00:34:44,389
trying to make us do like I said there's

817
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:46,100
there's there's a few and probably many

818
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:49,730
examples where I might be wrong but it

819
00:34:55,930 --> 00:34:54,320
seems like it's like you said gene it's

820
00:34:58,350 --> 00:34:55,940
kind of like a mirror of what our

821
00:35:01,420 --> 00:34:58,360
expectations are with with a lot of

822
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:01,430
individual variants here and there if

823
00:35:05,110 --> 00:35:04,010
you go to uh and you know about this guy

824
00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:05,120
and you've probably you might have had

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00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:08,630
him on Albert Rosales as humanoids site

826
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:11,240
yeah yeah we've had that Albert on yeah

827
00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:15,530
I mean just look at that I mean if you

828
00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:17,870
want any evidence that there there's you

829
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,430
know that whatever you want to think

830
00:35:24,970 --> 00:35:22,160
extraterrestrials or aliens are are are

831
00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:24,980
just big-headed gray you know gray

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00:35:29,290 --> 00:35:26,300
entities that are about four to five

833
00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:29,300
three to five feet tall you you will be

834
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:31,550
disabused of that idea very quickly by

835
00:35:35,980 --> 00:35:33,560
going through his will during that it's

836
00:35:37,870 --> 00:35:35,990
fascinating and wonderful in it it makes

837
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,880
me it makes me feel like I did when I

838
00:35:42,580 --> 00:35:39,440
first started reading UFO books when I

839
00:35:43,180 --> 00:35:42,590
was a kid well then I guess I didn't

840
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:43,190
expect

841
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:45,410
ET to show up because that's what

842
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,210
happened I was reading these books from

843
00:35:52,270 --> 00:35:50,000
major Donald Kehoe and he adopted the

844
00:35:54,130 --> 00:35:52,280
position very early on like probably

845
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:54,140
three seconds after he started studying

846
00:35:58,300 --> 00:35:56,630
the phenomenon and realized something

847
00:36:00,610 --> 00:35:58,310
real was going on he said okay it's

848
00:36:01,930 --> 00:36:00,620
gotta be spaceships three seconds I

849
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:01,940
think that was a pretty quick belief

850
00:36:04,569 --> 00:36:02,720
system right there

851
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,579
that's the impression I got almost from

852
00:36:08,260 --> 00:36:06,079
the very beginning from the very first

853
00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:08,270
book I read of his which was called by

854
00:36:12,910 --> 00:36:10,220
the way flying saucers from outer space

855
00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:12,920
but you know when you look at scientific

856
00:36:19,059 --> 00:36:16,150
developments now Greg Bishop and you see

857
00:36:22,359 --> 00:36:19,069
indications that we're accepting life in

858
00:36:24,970 --> 00:36:22,369
outer space anyway and that's why they

859
00:36:26,859 --> 00:36:24,980
just furthers the expectation the UFOs

860
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:26,869
are et we'll get into that in a moment

861
00:36:32,140 --> 00:36:29,810
here of course we're having a great time

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with Greg Bishop and gene and Chris just

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sitting around chatting and we'll be

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answering your questions in a few bits

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with Gene and Chris you're in the para

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you'll never forget a former US military

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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

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we're just talking with Greg Bishop and

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we're covering all sorts of subjects so

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as I mentioned before we're learning

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that more and more potential earth-type

994
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:19,270
planets are being discovered in the

995
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universe I think the Kepler telescope

996
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:27,369
revealed eight more guys right up to a

997
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thousand now you're right the total is

998
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:31,270
about a thousand but they just added

999
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:34,089
eight more to the list saying these

1000
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:37,330
eight we're closer to earth-like and

1001
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:38,830
most of the others huh

1002
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:40,570
then again maybe that's a

1003
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:43,089
self-fulfilling prophecy too we expect

1004
00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:44,920
to see life in the universe and it will

1005
00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:47,500
come I guess so careful what you wish

1006
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,400
for yeah exactly I don't know I I think

1007
00:42:56,310 --> 00:42:54,160
that maybe occasionally there might be

1008
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some other life that has achieved some

1009
00:43:00,089 --> 00:42:58,240
sort of in us know interstellar travel

1010
00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:00,099
and not the way we think of it where you

1011
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:02,230
go from one thing to the other with you

1012
00:43:07,050 --> 00:43:04,570
know taking many years or whatever but

1013
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:07,060
in the kind of the wormhole instant

1014
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:08,830
travel thing that they may be able to do

1015
00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:10,900
that if they're able to do that then the

1016
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,820
you know the ETH makes a lot more sense

1017
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:15,280
but what doesn't make sense is the

1018
00:43:20,099 --> 00:43:18,010
number of like why would they need so

1019
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:20,109
many you know why would all these ships

1020
00:43:24,030 --> 00:43:21,910
and beings and everything be coming here

1021
00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:24,040
it's like what Wow why are we so

1022
00:43:26,850 --> 00:43:26,080
interesting are we that special or maybe

1023
00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:26,860
we are

1024
00:43:30,450 --> 00:43:28,420
and if there's so many of these planets

1025
00:43:33,630 --> 00:43:30,460
that are in the Goldilocks whatever

1026
00:43:35,130 --> 00:43:33,640
maybe or maybe it doesn't matter you

1027
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:35,140
know maybe it's maybe it's not a time

1028
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:37,450
thing maybe it just looks like a lot of

1029
00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:39,450
them because they this point in history

1030
00:43:44,910 --> 00:43:43,000
in our time flow whatever it is is

1031
00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:44,920
coming here and checking us out and they

1032
00:43:48,690 --> 00:43:46,420
don't have to be in a time flow they're

1033
00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:48,700
just there they're coming from whenever

1034
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:50,860
and then it's all happy to be showing up

1035
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:52,090
now because this is right before

1036
00:43:56,850 --> 00:43:53,440
something amazing happens or something

1037
00:43:59,090 --> 00:43:56,860
horrible happens or who knows but you

1038
00:44:01,950 --> 00:43:59,100
know I also tend to think that there's a

1039
00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:01,960
lot of things going on with the with the

1040
00:44:05,790 --> 00:44:03,880
UFO and the extra-terrestrial whatever

1041
00:44:07,650 --> 00:44:05,800
the alien thing they're a lot closer to

1042
00:44:09,330 --> 00:44:07,660
home and that of course that's not that

1043
00:44:13,850 --> 00:44:09,340
doesn't make me special many many many

1044
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:13,860
people think that and that maybe

1045
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:16,750
whatever it is that's not us that it

1046
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:18,790
contacts us or we see or have

1047
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:21,060
interaction with from time to time is

1048
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:24,910
from near here or from here or like I

1049
00:44:28,770 --> 00:44:27,010
said before maybe unstuck in time and

1050
00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:28,780
they can come by whenever the hell they

1051
00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:30,700
want just us it looks like they're

1052
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:31,600
coming by now

1053
00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:33,640
who knows or maybe they're able to

1054
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:35,980
manifest in some way or maybe use by

1055
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:39,250
location and in the quantum physics

1056
00:44:43,710 --> 00:44:41,770
sense where you know there there are

1057
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:43,720
resonance particles are resonant with

1058
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:45,190
each other throughout the universe no

1059
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:46,930
matter where they are things like that I

1060
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:50,050
mean I miss on locating but there's so

1061
00:44:53,850 --> 00:44:51,520
many other exciting ideas

1062
00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:53,860
well Greg that's a perfect lead-in for a

1063
00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:55,720
question from one of our listeners at

1064
00:45:01,680 --> 00:44:58,810
forum dr. Perik as comm you can go ahead

1065
00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:01,690
and ask questions of our guests and it

1066
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:04,660
comes from bobbum DC and he goes what do

1067
00:45:07,770 --> 00:45:06,130
you think of the theory that earthlings

1068
00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:07,780
maybe one of the most advanced species

1069
00:45:11,850 --> 00:45:10,120
in the universe Harvard University

1070
00:45:14,970 --> 00:45:11,860
astronomy professor and director of

1071
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:14,980
Harvard origins of life initiative de

1072
00:45:20,850 --> 00:45:18,490
matar Sassa log says intelligent life

1073
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:20,860
may be in its very young stage in the

1074
00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:23,740
observable universe it's 200 billion

1075
00:45:27,330 --> 00:45:25,360
galaxies show a clear potential to

1076
00:45:29,490 --> 00:45:27,340
continue on as we see them today for

1077
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:29,500
hundreds of billions of years if not

1078
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:31,930
much longer because planets in life are

1079
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:33,610
so young in our universe as SAS law

1080
00:45:38,310 --> 00:45:35,950
perhaps the human species are not late

1081
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:38,320
comers to the party we may be among the

1082
00:45:42,450 --> 00:45:40,450
early ones might this explain

1083
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:42,460
why we have not yet had any overt

1084
00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:44,770
contact from out beyond this planet

1085
00:45:48,510 --> 00:45:46,900
that's a good question yeah I guess it

1086
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:48,520
might I mean how old is the universe

1087
00:45:53,550 --> 00:45:51,369
supposed to be I can't remember because

1088
00:45:57,060 --> 00:45:53,560
the earth is what four billion years old

1089
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:57,070
about 15 15 billion or 15 billion okay

1090
00:46:01,470 --> 00:45:58,690
and the universe is supposedly what

1091
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:01,480
thirty-year no no the universe is about

1092
00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:03,490
15 million oh really

1093
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:05,980
well correct me if I'm wrong gene I

1094
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:08,650
think the estimates keep changing so

1095
00:46:16,829 --> 00:46:13,119
let's just we're a little less than a

1096
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:16,839
third we developed about two-thirds of

1097
00:46:22,290 --> 00:46:19,570
the way into the life of the since the

1098
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:22,300
Big Bang right I could be way off base

1099
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:24,970
here but I don't think I am we're

1100
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:27,250
strictly average folks just sit down

1101
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:30,790
here don't get the egos afraid here we

1102
00:46:37,020 --> 00:46:33,760
are just an average planet an average

1103
00:46:39,569 --> 00:46:37,030
solar system with an average Sun oh well

1104
00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:39,579
we could be I don't I I do not know who

1105
00:46:44,310 --> 00:46:41,800
we are as a species I do not know for

1106
00:46:47,069 --> 00:46:44,320
average I I wouldn't know I mean I'm not

1107
00:46:49,740 --> 00:46:47,079
I'm not a scientist like my gut feeling

1108
00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:49,750
is that like I said before perhaps time

1109
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,660
does not matter and somebody somewhere

1110
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:54,400
has figured out how to unhook from it

1111
00:46:58,170 --> 00:46:56,290
and it just time doesn't matter to them

1112
00:47:00,839 --> 00:46:58,180
they they maybe they're not even

1113
00:47:02,579 --> 00:47:00,849
physical anymore or if they they aren't

1114
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:02,589
like maybe they can manifest physically

1115
00:47:10,589 --> 00:47:05,890
somewhere but the but I think it's more

1116
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:10,599
like something that's intelligent senses

1117
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:13,359
or knows there's another intelligence

1118
00:47:17,339 --> 00:47:15,310
somewhere and it wants to come have a

1119
00:47:18,990 --> 00:47:17,349
look at it or maybe doesn't even have to

1120
00:47:20,849 --> 00:47:19,000
go anywhere can just do it by sitting on

1121
00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:20,859
its own planet and projecting itself

1122
00:47:26,579 --> 00:47:24,040
over here I have no idea but I'm really

1123
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,589
intrigued by the unstuck from time idea

1124
00:47:32,370 --> 00:47:29,200
I think that would make a great science

1125
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:32,380
fiction story I'm stuck from time it

1126
00:47:36,510 --> 00:47:35,260
probably has oh I'm sure it has I

1127
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:36,520
haven't read all the science fiction

1128
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,410
novels there despite my great age and

1129
00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:41,200
having written a few myself unstuck from

1130
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,480
time I kind of like that concept well

1131
00:47:46,650 --> 00:47:45,280
maybe whoever it is that just doesn't

1132
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,660
make any difference to them anymore it's

1133
00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:48,160
like if if I want to go over there and

1134
00:47:52,349 --> 00:47:49,630
you know sit in the other chair that's

1135
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:52,359
the same regard they have for what we

1136
00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:54,010
think as linear time and it does

1137
00:47:59,250 --> 00:47:55,990
look linear to them it's just everything

1138
00:48:01,380 --> 00:47:59,260
is there all the time I keep saying time

1139
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:01,390
but that time doesn't exist it's just

1140
00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:04,480
our linear flow of it is to them is just

1141
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:06,790
like us looking at at something that

1142
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:08,410
lives in a two-dimensional universe or

1143
00:48:11,850 --> 00:48:10,270
something well there's quite a number of

1144
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:11,860
indigenous cultures on the planet

1145
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:13,930
including the Pueblo Indians here in

1146
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:15,730
North America that they don't really

1147
00:48:18,750 --> 00:48:17,530
consider the past in the future

1148
00:48:20,820 --> 00:48:18,760
everything is in them now

1149
00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:20,830
I think the Hopi don't even have words

1150
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:23,860
for the Future past everything is in is

1151
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:26,650
always in a present tense hmm yeah well

1152
00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:28,690
that would make sense it was it it might

1153
00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:32,710
also explain the huge gulf and

1154
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:35,380
Understanding between the cultures still

1155
00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:37,330
actually but especially when they first

1156
00:48:42,330 --> 00:48:39,820
encountered each other yeah well it's

1157
00:48:45,420 --> 00:48:42,340
it's interesting I speak with Martin

1158
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,430
Garcia so Moe's hoping traditional hopi

1159
00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:47,440
elder and when he talks about the laws

1160
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:50,380
of Columbus in a rather derogatory

1161
00:48:55,350 --> 00:48:52,510
fashion it's almost like he's describing

1162
00:48:59,610 --> 00:48:55,360
a subtle article written in today's

1163
00:49:02,430 --> 00:48:59,620
paper you know going back almost 500

1164
00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:02,440
years I've is not you know go over 500

1165
00:49:08,730 --> 00:49:05,260
years is it's like nothing to him it's

1166
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,740
like it happened moments ago okay

1167
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:11,040
actually I've always been intrigued by

1168
00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:15,580
by the timelessness of that concept did

1169
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:17,380
you ever read any of Frank Cushing's

1170
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:20,610
books yeah I did actually

1171
00:49:25,260 --> 00:49:23,220
my Zuni elder feng clifford mahooty

1172
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:25,270
grandfather was very good friends with

1173
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:27,730
Frank Hamilton Cushing when he first

1174
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,030
came to Zuni and was actually accepted

1175
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,040
into the tribe and into the warrior

1176
00:49:37,860 --> 00:49:36,160
medicine Society and actually learned

1177
00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:37,870
the language he was he was the first

1178
00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:40,840
Westerner that really was able to make

1179
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:42,550
some inroads into the Zuni culture and

1180
00:49:49,140 --> 00:49:45,970
he wrote a very the only real book on

1181
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:49,150
the Zuni that looked at you know had to

1182
00:49:55,050 --> 00:49:51,370
hit the entire culture from you know

1183
00:49:58,260 --> 00:49:55,060
this anthropological point of view there

1184
00:50:00,930 --> 00:49:58,270
have been others yeah but nobody was

1185
00:50:03,570 --> 00:50:00,940
accepted in to the degree that Cushing

1186
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:03,580
was yeah I'm very interested in his

1187
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:05,770
stuff and I have been for a while the

1188
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:08,609
reason I thought of him is be

1189
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:11,500
maybe Chris you know one time he asked

1190
00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:15,780
them because he knew that probably that

1191
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:20,790
and what's his Alvaro Cabeza de Vaca

1192
00:50:25,049 --> 00:50:23,049
probably wandered over it's somewhere

1193
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:25,059
where the Zuni were in the late 15th or

1194
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:27,640
late 16th century no no he definitely

1195
00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:28,569
did

1196
00:50:32,940 --> 00:50:31,240
along with Esteban the maracas yeah

1197
00:50:35,250 --> 00:50:32,950
movie remembered because the black the

1198
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:35,260
African black guy was with am Esteban

1199
00:50:41,819 --> 00:50:37,569
yeah and he said how long ago was that

1200
00:50:43,770 --> 00:50:41,829
there only I don't know I so they they

1201
00:50:45,809 --> 00:50:43,780
brought out pieces of corn to try and

1202
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:45,819
represent how many generations it was

1203
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:48,190
and it lined up apparently quite well

1204
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,049
with about how long it had been since

1205
00:50:55,380 --> 00:50:53,200
this had happened because I think he had

1206
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:55,390
shown up in the and Esteban had shown up

1207
00:50:59,160 --> 00:50:57,250
and eventually they wore out their

1208
00:51:01,650 --> 00:50:59,170
welcome and they actually killed Esteban

1209
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:01,660
because he was I guess he was being rude

1210
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:04,630
or no they killed him because his two

1211
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:07,450
companion Cabeza de Vaca and another guy

1212
00:51:12,359 --> 00:51:09,730
in Esteban we're actually taking him by

1213
00:51:14,609 --> 00:51:12,369
the Zuni for a period of time and they

1214
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:14,619
left and he ended up making it all the

1215
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:18,250
way back to Mexico City right is Esteban

1216
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:20,290
came back that's right and then Esteban

1217
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:22,510
was conscripted by Coronado to lead the

1218
00:51:26,670 --> 00:51:25,089
army back up into the side West let's go

1219
00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:26,680
into this in more detail it's getting

1220
00:51:31,710 --> 00:51:29,260
very complicated in our next segment

1221
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:31,720
with Greg Bishop and Jean and Chris

1222
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:40,920
we are the premier independent talk

1223
00:51:49,140 --> 00:51:44,319
radio network the genesis communications

1224
00:51:51,089 --> 00:51:49,150
network G C n good people need help the

1225
00:51:53,940 --> 00:51:51,099
homeowners association said we had weeds

1226
00:51:55,739 --> 00:51:53,950
and finest $25.00 we told them they had

1227
00:51:57,870 --> 00:51:55,749
the wrong house they said if we didn't

1228
00:52:00,239 --> 00:51:57,880
pay it they'd file a lien our attorney

1229
00:52:01,799 --> 00:52:00,249
demanded photographs witnesses and told

1230
00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:01,809
them if they couldn't provide this they

1231
00:52:06,089 --> 00:52:03,880
must cease and desist issues solved

1232
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:06,099
worry less and live more with LS

1233
00:52:11,849 --> 00:52:07,210
protection calm

1234
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:11,859
five five three four zero save that's

1235
00:52:15,930 --> 00:52:13,690
eight five five three four zero seven

1236
00:52:18,029 --> 00:52:15,940
two eight three results will vary from

1237
00:52:20,130 --> 00:52:18,039
case to case we the people grow cotton

1238
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:20,140
weave fabric engraving can bed strips

1239
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:21,730
and fibers to protect from counterfeit

1240
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:23,529
than carding to a private bank having a

1241
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:24,670
led back at interest

1242
00:52:28,229 --> 00:52:26,410
forcing taxes to service debt this

1243
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:28,239
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1244
00:52:31,319 --> 00:52:29,710
stating a central bank issuing the

1245
00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:31,329
public currency is a greater menace to

1246
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:32,470
the liberties of the people than a

1247
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:34,210
standing army hi Teddy understand I'm

1248
00:52:37,470 --> 00:52:35,650
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1249
00:52:40,979 --> 00:52:37,480
that explains our monetary system call

1250
00:52:44,190 --> 00:52:40,989
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1251
00:52:50,190 --> 00:52:44,200
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1252
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:50,200
that's 800 686 to 237 don't complain

1253
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:52,089
about your cable bill going up and up

1254
00:52:55,950 --> 00:52:54,130
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1255
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1256
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1257
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1258
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1259
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1260
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1269
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1270
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1271
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1272
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1273
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1274
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1275
00:54:00,850 --> 00:53:57,890
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1276
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:00,860
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1277
00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:07,500
radio and now here's Jane Steinberg

1278
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:10,430
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1279
00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:13,410
okay we're trying to define what this

1280
00:54:17,809 --> 00:54:15,420
show is about and maybe a few more

1281
00:54:19,299 --> 00:54:17,819
episodes we'll get there Chris we had to

1282
00:54:21,770 --> 00:54:19,309
interrupt you on that long presentation

1283
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:21,780
this is very interesting stuff the Zuni

1284
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:24,960
culture III the Pueblo Indians I think

1285
00:54:30,859 --> 00:54:27,839
by and large er really tapped into some

1286
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:30,869
star people type traditions and they

1287
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:33,000
have quite a an elaborate system of

1288
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:35,160
Kachinas which which according to them

1289
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:37,650
are beans that have been visiting us for

1290
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:41,579
many many thousands of years and it's

1291
00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:44,460
broken down into quite a dizzying array

1292
00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:47,700
of responsibilities each Kachina has

1293
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,430
different roles within the society has

1294
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:53,280
taught the the Indians particular things

1295
00:54:59,980 --> 00:54:57,420
and this whole idea of star people has

1296
00:55:03,049 --> 00:54:59,990
been pretty a pretty closely guarded

1297
00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:03,059
secret to the Native Americans in the

1298
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:06,150
southwest and clifford mahooty who's

1299
00:55:09,799 --> 00:55:07,260
going to be presenting at the

1300
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:09,809
international UFO congress is really the

1301
00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:11,369
first Zuni that's come out and really

1302
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:14,190
tried to equate the ancient traditional

1303
00:55:21,260 --> 00:55:17,520
knowledge with the modern sense of

1304
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:21,270
ufology and incorporating you know 20th

1305
00:55:26,210 --> 00:55:24,089
century in 21st century encounters in

1306
00:55:28,460 --> 00:55:26,220
facts with the ancient knowledge and

1307
00:55:31,099 --> 00:55:28,470
he's been very courageous to do this and

1308
00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:31,109
it to some detriment with his standing

1309
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:34,020
with his tribe the Zuni are really not

1310
00:55:38,839 --> 00:55:35,730
that keen on a lot of this information

1311
00:55:40,849 --> 00:55:38,849
getting out outside of the medicine

1312
00:55:43,309 --> 00:55:40,859
societies in the Kachina societies so

1313
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:43,319
know this is a touchy area and he's

1314
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:44,670
quite courageous to come out and talk

1315
00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:46,200
about this stuff and I've been very

1316
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:48,420
fortunate to be on the receiving end to

1317
00:55:52,940 --> 00:55:50,250
some pretty interesting information that

1318
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:52,950
has really kind of made me scratch my

1319
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:56,880
head and go hmm yeah I had somebody from

1320
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,839
the Hickory Apache Tribe at Dulce get me

1321
00:56:04,339 --> 00:56:02,400
aside at one point and talked to me

1322
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:04,349
about this little bit - he didn't really

1323
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:06,210
go into detail about it but he started

1324
00:56:11,089 --> 00:56:09,000
drawing star charts and telling me stuff

1325
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,099
that his grandfather told him about

1326
00:56:15,020 --> 00:56:13,440
where they may have come from a part of

1327
00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:15,030
their tribe came from and I don't think

1328
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:16,470
he was messing with me I think he was

1329
00:56:20,609 --> 00:56:18,730
kind of being serious

1330
00:56:22,650 --> 00:56:20,619
tell me something wants to that his

1331
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:22,660
grandfather had mentioned to him he

1332
00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:24,310
asked his grandfather at one point he

1333
00:56:29,370 --> 00:56:27,550
was in training to be you know to

1334
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:29,380
continue on the medicine lineage that

1335
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:31,690
his grandfather was kind of in charge of

1336
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:35,440
again he asked him he said where do

1337
00:56:39,180 --> 00:56:37,450
these these silver ships come from where

1338
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:39,190
do these UFOs come from and his

1339
00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:42,310
grandfather was sitting at a table at

1340
00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:43,660
the kitchen table and there was a salt

1341
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,640
shaker and uh and I'd like a ketchup

1342
00:56:49,770 --> 00:56:47,200
bottle or something there and he move

1343
00:56:52,290 --> 00:56:49,780
the ketchup bottle aside made a motion

1344
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,300
upwards out of the table and then

1345
00:56:56,730 --> 00:56:54,880
slammed the ketchup bottle back where it

1346
00:57:01,530 --> 00:56:56,740
was and went in the hay which means

1347
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:01,540
don't ask I was found that very

1348
00:57:05,970 --> 00:57:04,510
compelling yeah that's as far as you

1349
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:05,980
would go with it with me but I was only

1350
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:08,710
there for a little while I also noticed

1351
00:57:11,790 --> 00:57:10,210
I've talked about this with you Chris

1352
00:57:14,220 --> 00:57:11,800
and we can get back to the UFO

1353
00:57:16,140 --> 00:57:14,230
paranormal stuff but I've noticed with

1354
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:16,150
with a lot of people from a lot of

1355
00:57:23,069 --> 00:57:20,220
tribes that you must shut up first

1356
00:57:25,579 --> 00:57:23,079
second you must talk BS for a while

1357
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:25,589
probably far longer than you think and

1358
00:57:31,710 --> 00:57:29,410
then in a period of hours days weeks or

1359
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:31,720
months things will start to be revealed

1360
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:34,450
to you but you can't just walk in and

1361
00:57:38,910 --> 00:57:36,010
start asking gosh don't because it

1362
00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:38,920
doesn't work no no it's just there's a

1363
00:57:45,260 --> 00:57:41,950
whole cultural there's a whole

1364
00:57:47,579 --> 00:57:45,270
disconnect between a native way of

1365
00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:47,589
imparting information if they even are

1366
00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:50,020
willing to yeah there's a lot of trust

1367
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:51,880
that needs to be there to begin with but

1368
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:54,490
yeah it is a process and we have talked

1369
00:57:59,210 --> 00:57:56,890
about this Greg it's it's it's a process

1370
00:58:02,010 --> 00:57:59,220
that really actually takes years I think

1371
00:58:04,829 --> 00:58:02,020
it takes daughters and if sense of

1372
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:04,839
humility humbleness and friendliness

1373
00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:07,450
actually I mean you if you are truly

1374
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,750
interested in it truly like the person I

1375
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:12,400
think it helped I mean it helps in any

1376
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:15,010
culture but especially with pre Native

1377
00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:16,930
American if you come in right away

1378
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:18,790
talking too much or asking too many

1379
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,890
questions they will tell you what you

1380
00:58:24,370 --> 00:58:22,880
want to hear so you will leave

1381
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:24,380
well again another thing that we both

1382
00:58:30,190 --> 00:58:27,710
agreed on is everything is is is kind of

1383
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:30,200
sideways there's yes there's no real

1384
00:58:33,609 --> 00:58:32,450
direct you know you can't ask direct

1385
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:33,619
questions you have to kind of beat

1386
00:58:39,609 --> 00:58:36,049
around the bush and and kind of do

1387
00:58:42,460 --> 00:58:39,619
things by inference and kind of hint

1388
00:58:44,410 --> 00:58:42,470
around at things yeah and then that

1389
00:58:47,289 --> 00:58:44,420
creates openings I think for them to

1390
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:47,299
respond and then then they they tend to

1391
00:58:51,609 --> 00:58:48,950
respond I think a little bit more

1392
00:58:53,289 --> 00:58:51,619
directly you can't just you know barge

1393
00:58:54,910 --> 00:58:53,299
in like a bull in a china shop and

1394
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:54,920
expect to get any sort of information

1395
00:59:00,490 --> 00:58:58,640
especially if you got a TV crew you know

1396
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:00,500
hanging hanging behind you or whatever

1397
00:59:06,609 --> 00:59:02,569
yeah and that's gonna just absolutely

1398
00:59:09,370 --> 00:59:06,619
slam any door yeah it's probably the way

1399
00:59:11,410 --> 00:59:09,380
they've been forever but especially in

1400
00:59:15,029 --> 00:59:11,420
the last couple hundred years they just

1401
00:59:17,769 --> 00:59:15,039
finally realized it's not worth it it's

1402
00:59:20,859 --> 00:59:17,779
like why do we always get the you know

1403
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:20,869
the the the bad end of the lollipop when

1404
00:59:26,529 --> 00:59:23,690
it whenever we just say well okay so why

1405
00:59:27,749 --> 00:59:26,539
bother anymore you know and it's hard

1406
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:27,759
not to agree with that

1407
00:59:33,849 --> 00:59:32,000
yeah but it is changing there are some

1408
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:33,859
like I said like clifford mahooty is is

1409
00:59:37,660 --> 00:59:36,049
an example of someone who walks in both

1410
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,670
worlds I mean he can do differential

1411
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:40,400
equations in advanced calculus and is a

1412
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:43,910
civil engineer yet he also has the the

1413
00:59:49,569 --> 00:59:45,710
knowledge of the oral tradition of his

1414
00:59:53,170 --> 00:59:49,579
people the dances the the the medicine

1415
00:59:55,329 --> 00:59:53,180
in the plants and the stories and the

1416
00:59:57,999 --> 00:59:55,339
traditions he he walks in both worlds

1417
00:59:59,650 --> 00:59:58,009
he's a very very rare individual and

1418
01:00:02,529 --> 00:59:59,660
I've been very very lucky and blessed to

1419
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:02,539
be able to count him among my closest

1420
01:00:09,749 --> 01:00:05,599
friends and and it's it's really

1421
01:00:12,430 --> 01:00:09,759
interesting to see how he is able to

1422
01:00:14,109 --> 01:00:12,440
flip-flop back and forth between those

1423
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:14,119
two worlds it's it must be very

1424
01:00:18,910 --> 01:00:16,130
difficult for him and and and there's

1425
01:00:20,829 --> 01:00:18,920
you got to have some sort of switch that

1426
01:00:22,749 --> 01:00:20,839
allows you to disconnect from one and go

1427
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,759
into the other and then vice versa I'm

1428
01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:24,559
not sure how he does it but he's able to

1429
01:00:27,620 --> 01:00:25,470
do it

1430
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:27,630
yeah it's really rare too bad there's

1431
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:29,760
not more of those people because things

1432
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,050
would probably move along a lot quicker

1433
01:00:35,329 --> 01:00:33,119
and understanding would happen a lot

1434
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:35,339
quicker you would hope well I think that

1435
01:00:40,010 --> 01:00:37,770
indigenous people by and large are

1436
01:00:44,510 --> 01:00:40,020
sitting on a tremendous treasure trove

1437
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:44,520
of information that really does fly in

1438
01:00:47,660 --> 01:00:46,170
the face of some of the scientific

1439
01:00:50,059 --> 01:00:47,670
thinking that we have especially in the

1440
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:50,069
paranormal in the UFO realm I think that

1441
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:51,359
they know a lot of things that they

1442
01:00:54,859 --> 01:00:52,980
don't divulge the outsiders

1443
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:54,869
I think this knowledge has been there

1444
01:00:59,599 --> 01:00:57,599
for hundreds of generations possibly

1445
01:01:02,089 --> 01:00:59,609
yeah and I think this knowledge is is

1446
01:01:04,220 --> 01:01:02,099
slowly withering on the vine and is

1447
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:04,230
being lost and I think it's important

1448
01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:07,530
for them to have the technology the

1449
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:09,660
training to be able to document their

1450
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:11,849
own traditions their own stories their

1451
01:01:15,859 --> 01:01:14,160
dances their their you know their their

1452
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:15,869
medical knowledge their healing

1453
01:01:19,550 --> 01:01:17,819
knowledge and the star the star

1454
01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:19,560
knowledge I think they should be able to

1455
01:01:24,410 --> 01:01:22,260
have the multimedia equipment to be able

1456
01:01:26,540 --> 01:01:24,420
to document these things so that they

1457
01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:26,550
don't lose it and every year that goes

1458
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:29,460
by they're losing major chunks of their

1459
01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:32,400
of their culture and right now the last

1460
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:35,430
remaining traditional elders are all in

1461
01:01:40,089 --> 01:01:36,780
their late eighties

1462
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:40,099
into their 90's and within ten years a

1463
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:42,930
huge percentage of that information is

1464
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:44,970
going to be lost it's gonna be just

1465
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:48,569
flowing downstream under the bridge yeah

1466
01:01:54,910 --> 01:01:52,530
that's one thing you mentioned in just

1467
01:01:57,559 --> 01:01:54,920
now kind of made the sense to me and

1468
01:01:59,870 --> 01:01:57,569
over what we've been talking over about

1469
01:02:03,410 --> 01:01:59,880
the last ten minutes maybe some of that

1470
01:02:06,290 --> 01:02:03,420
indirectness and some of that not

1471
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:06,300
confronting something head-on is really

1472
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:10,170
valuable in trying to understand UFOs

1473
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:12,450
and the paranormal and it's really hard

1474
01:02:17,180 --> 01:02:15,480
for you know somebody a western-trained

1475
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,190
person or a person that grew up in the

1476
01:02:21,260 --> 01:02:19,440
culture to be able to look at things in

1477
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:21,270
that way because it's it's it's it's

1478
01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:25,140
cultural it's probably genetic and very

1479
01:02:30,290 --> 01:02:27,720
hard to explain to an outsider so there

1480
01:02:31,790 --> 01:02:30,300
might be some value there if but it'd be

1481
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:31,800
really hard to explain to somebody who

1482
01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:34,530
didn't come from your same culture yeah

1483
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:36,180
well it's it's only a matter of the

1484
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:37,119
approach I mean

1485
01:02:41,759 --> 01:02:38,950
you know when people you know I go out

1486
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:41,769
sky watching they say oh man you you got

1487
01:02:45,059 --> 01:02:43,119
to look over here in the east this is

1488
01:02:46,620 --> 01:02:45,069
this is where everything comes from well

1489
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:46,630
I automatically turn around and look in

1490
01:02:50,660 --> 01:02:48,970
the West I tell them yeah go ahead you

1491
01:02:53,279 --> 01:02:50,670
look over there I'm looking over here

1492
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:53,289
just somebody you know that one

1493
01:02:57,269 --> 01:02:55,450
suggestion is an indirect approach and I

1494
01:02:59,880 --> 01:02:57,279
have no idea what form the indirect

1495
01:03:02,430 --> 01:02:59,890
approach would take it probably takes a

1496
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:02,440
lot of it would take a lot of self

1497
01:03:07,170 --> 01:03:04,720
discipline training and immersion in

1498
01:03:09,150 --> 01:03:07,180
that kind of that kind of way of

1499
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:09,160
thinking I'm trying to you know I'm

1500
01:03:13,950 --> 01:03:10,569
trying to do something right now or I

1501
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:13,960
don't any any personal change is really

1502
01:03:19,620 --> 01:03:16,150
hard I'm trying to do something now or I

1503
01:03:21,420 --> 01:03:19,630
don't worry about so much what other

1504
01:03:24,059 --> 01:03:21,430
people think about me in very specific

1505
01:03:26,940 --> 01:03:24,069
ways just to see what will happen and

1506
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:26,950
not you know I'm not afraid I'm going to

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turn into a dick or anything like that

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well they've already accused me of that

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that's news at the para cast dot-com and

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don't forget to visit our famous para

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01:08:13,150 --> 01:08:09,890
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01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:13,160
ladies and gentlemen do you remember

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01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:16,410
laughter Greg Bishop joins gene and

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01:08:20,090 --> 01:08:18,570
Chris and I haven't figured out what

1613
01:08:22,340 --> 01:08:20,100
we're talking about yet we're looking

1614
01:08:23,390 --> 01:08:22,350
for a topic and maybe we'll find one

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01:08:23,810 --> 01:08:23,400
Chris you want to get to another

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01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:23,820
question

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01:08:28,580 --> 01:08:26,010
someone on the forums calling you a dick

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01:08:30,650 --> 01:08:28,590
gene that was it right there and I

1619
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:30,660
resemble that remark well it's really

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01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:33,090
hard to change your own consciousness I

1621
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:36,570
mean just look at look at any spiritual

1622
01:08:42,380 --> 01:08:39,450
tradition even Western occultism or any

1623
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:42,390
Eastern tradition any esoteric tradition

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01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:44,370
that involves you and trying to change

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01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:46,920
your basic way of looking at things and

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01:08:49,940 --> 01:08:48,330
doing things we're probably one of the

1627
01:08:51,860 --> 01:08:49,950
most difficult things ever and I think

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01:08:54,500 --> 01:08:51,870
that the study of UFOs and the

1629
01:08:56,270 --> 01:08:54,510
paranormal needs that and the people in

1630
01:08:58,280 --> 01:08:56,280
it probably need a dose of that too

1631
01:09:01,220 --> 01:08:58,290
looking at the way they look at things

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01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:01,230
tough one you know well that's you know

1633
01:09:06,260 --> 01:09:03,420
we have a couple of questions here from

1634
01:09:08,780 --> 01:09:06,270
burnt State and he mentions dis Cordia

1635
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:08,790
yeah and uh I mean that would be a

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01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:10,890
classic example the Church of Bob you

1637
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:13,410
know the Church of the SubGenius would

1638
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:16,370
be yeah I think there's a lot of very

1639
01:09:25,730 --> 01:09:22,290
valuable insights within the absurdity

1640
01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:25,740
of reality I think there's the there is

1641
01:09:29,810 --> 01:09:28,260
a kind of a thread that that the magical

1642
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:29,820
thread that you can follow that goes

1643
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:32,250
through a lot of this information and

1644
01:09:38,750 --> 01:09:35,850
some of it is is trickster ish in nature

1645
01:09:43,190 --> 01:09:38,760
some of it is Discordian in nature some

1646
01:09:45,830 --> 01:09:43,200
of it is totally it just it doesn't make

1647
01:09:49,790 --> 01:09:45,840
any sense on the surface but then there

1648
01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:49,800
is some sort of underlying thread of I

1649
01:09:56,030 --> 01:09:52,980
don't know like a certain take logical

1650
01:09:58,220 --> 01:09:56,040
sense yeah exactly but there's something

1651
01:10:01,010 --> 01:09:58,230
within that ill logic that is logical

1652
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:01,020
yeah there is a signal within that ill

1653
01:10:05,780 --> 01:10:03,480
logic that is hard to pick up but is

1654
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:05,790
there I don't even know how much to

1655
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:08,130
describe it any more than that but once

1656
01:10:11,570 --> 01:10:10,080
you you know Chris knows this pretty

1657
01:10:14,210 --> 01:10:11,580
well I mean once you're around the

1658
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:14,220
weirdness for a while things start to

1659
01:10:23,419 --> 01:10:17,880
reveal them to themselves to you ideas

1660
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:23,429
concepts and it's not something that you

1661
01:10:28,129 --> 01:10:25,380
can teach to somebody or tell them how

1662
01:10:31,129 --> 01:10:28,139
to do it just comes from an individual

1663
01:10:35,779 --> 01:10:31,139
growth with the subject and in grow it

1664
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:35,789
personal growth so I think that people

1665
01:10:38,899 --> 01:10:37,110
that have been involved in it and the

1666
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:38,909
quiet ones the ones you don't hear from

1667
01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:42,090
too much they may be more on to what's

1668
01:10:46,279 --> 01:10:45,030
going on then then most people think and

1669
01:10:47,689 --> 01:10:46,289
you know what they're probably doesn't

1670
01:10:49,310 --> 01:10:47,699
say anything about it

1671
01:10:51,589 --> 01:10:49,320
those who know don't saying those who

1672
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:51,599
say don't know kind of thing we're just

1673
01:10:55,310 --> 01:10:53,489
unfortunate but you know that's a

1674
01:10:57,109 --> 01:10:55,320
perfect lead-in for a question from

1675
01:10:59,299 --> 01:10:57,119
burnt State it's more of an observation

1676
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,309
but he says on your show radio

1677
01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:01,679
mysterioso you have spoken frequently

1678
01:11:05,569 --> 01:11:03,179
about how you feel that the next

1679
01:11:07,370 --> 01:11:05,579
important discovery in ufology will come

1680
01:11:10,009 --> 01:11:07,380
from someone working in some unrelated

1681
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:10,019
field since our pursuit of understanding

1682
01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:12,780
UFOs technologically has produced such

1683
01:11:17,060 --> 01:11:15,689
few results what areas are aspects of

1684
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:17,070
ufology do you think we should be

1685
01:11:24,500 --> 01:11:21,570
concentrating on the absurd the stuff

1686
01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:24,510
that doesn't fit anything I've mentioned

1687
01:11:30,429 --> 01:11:27,030
before which is that the the stuff that

1688
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:30,439
Rick Strassman did with the the DMT

1689
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:32,400
experiments and people saying that they

1690
01:11:37,939 --> 01:11:35,360
were having basically very

1691
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:37,949
dyed-in-the-wool are very close to

1692
01:11:40,699 --> 01:11:39,510
dyed-in-the-wool abduction experiences

1693
01:11:43,899 --> 01:11:40,709
and all they were doing was lying on a

1694
01:11:47,689 --> 01:11:43,909
table under the influence of a drug

1695
01:11:50,959 --> 01:11:47,699
that's really important I think no I

1696
01:11:53,629 --> 01:11:50,969
agree let's go back to that just saying

1697
01:11:56,660 --> 01:11:53,639
that under the influence of a drug you

1698
01:11:58,489 --> 01:11:56,670
imagine you're being abducted now let's

1699
01:12:01,129 --> 01:11:58,499
look at the people who feel they've been

1700
01:12:03,739 --> 01:12:01,139
abducted are they under the influence of

1701
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,749
something maybe their brains have been

1702
01:12:09,049 --> 01:12:06,239
dumping dimethyltryptamine into their

1703
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:09,059
system and in there they're mistaking a

1704
01:12:14,839 --> 01:12:13,050
surge of DMT natural DMT for an

1705
01:12:17,540 --> 01:12:14,849
abduction experience that's that's a

1706
01:12:19,939 --> 01:12:17,550
really fight potentially fruitful Avenue

1707
01:12:22,219 --> 01:12:19,949
to look at yeah well I don't think

1708
01:12:24,729 --> 01:12:22,229
everybody that was on the DMT and

1709
01:12:29,049 --> 01:12:24,739
everybody that has a abduction

1710
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:29,059
experience is imagining it I think that

1711
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:32,010
occasionally that especially maybe with

1712
01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:35,610
the DMT people that they hook into

1713
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:37,260
something and there

1714
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:40,409
and the way they process it is the

1715
01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:44,489
abduction experience whatever is trying

1716
01:12:49,580 --> 01:12:47,820
to affect them and affect their affect

1717
01:12:54,169 --> 01:12:49,590
their thinking and affect that my guess

1718
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:54,179
even physically who knows is is there I

1719
01:12:58,819 --> 01:12:56,610
think there is an other I don't think

1720
01:13:01,390 --> 01:12:58,829
maybe it's some sort of doorway that

1721
01:13:03,740 --> 01:13:01,400
needs to be opened whether by design or

1722
01:13:05,209 --> 01:13:03,750
inadvertently yeah well I see I'm having

1723
01:13:07,370 --> 01:13:05,219
problems here Chris because it's it's

1724
01:13:09,109 --> 01:13:07,380
the language thing I'm trying to

1725
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:09,119
describe something and I think I know

1726
01:13:14,180 --> 01:13:12,480
what I'm talking about but I'm not

1727
01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:14,190
exactly sure how to put it into words

1728
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,960
like we were saying with America you

1729
01:13:19,970 --> 01:13:17,280
know with the Native Americans I can

1730
01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:19,980
dance around what I think I mean with

1731
01:13:24,319 --> 01:13:22,110
the words but I can't specifically say

1732
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:24,329
it because when Jeanne said they were

1733
01:13:28,580 --> 01:13:26,489
imagining they were having a an

1734
01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:28,590
abduction experience I don't know what

1735
01:13:32,990 --> 01:13:30,510
the line is between imagining a drug

1736
01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:33,000
experience quote unquote reality or

1737
01:13:38,419 --> 01:13:35,369
whatever why what's going on in their

1738
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:38,429
brains is is real for them at the time

1739
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:40,800
and you know and there's no way they can

1740
01:13:44,569 --> 01:13:42,510
communicate that to other people except

1741
01:13:46,430 --> 01:13:44,579
with these horrible that's horrible

1742
01:13:50,049 --> 01:13:46,440
thing we have called language yeah

1743
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:50,059
making weird noises with our mouths

1744
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:52,650
ladies and gentlemen this is the making

1745
01:13:58,720 --> 01:13:55,440
weird noises with our mouths radio show

1746
01:14:02,540 --> 01:13:58,730
[Laughter]

1747
01:14:04,879 --> 01:14:02,550
this is something Terrence McKenna yeah

1748
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:04,889
was really fascinated by of course we

1749
01:14:07,549 --> 01:14:06,480
already mentioned Rupert Sheldrake

1750
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:07,559
Terence Mckenna

1751
01:14:12,979 --> 01:14:10,320
Rupert Sheldrake and Ralph Abraham our

1752
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:12,989
famous for a series of trial logs that

1753
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:14,130
they did all three of them together

1754
01:14:17,930 --> 01:14:16,050
riffing on subjects like the three of us

1755
01:14:21,109 --> 01:14:17,940
are doing right now and one of the

1756
01:14:25,279 --> 01:14:21,119
things that McKenna was very fascinated

1757
01:14:29,330 --> 01:14:25,289
by was the byproduct of you know

1758
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:29,340
psilocybin mushrooms and DMT which is

1759
01:14:37,850 --> 01:14:34,530
glossolalia it's people so intense and

1760
01:14:40,459 --> 01:14:37,860
so wanting to communicate what they are

1761
01:14:43,250 --> 01:14:40,469
experiencing and as you're pointing out

1762
01:14:46,370 --> 01:14:43,260
language is it is it sometimes is

1763
01:14:49,459 --> 01:14:46,380
absolutely completely deficient you

1764
01:14:51,150 --> 01:14:49,469
cannot pick a by the way with words and

1765
01:14:53,130 --> 01:14:51,160
they would actually start

1766
01:14:55,380 --> 01:14:53,140
creating their own language to try to

1767
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:55,390
communicate what what they were trying

1768
01:14:58,110 --> 01:14:56,560
to communicate in other words it's

1769
01:15:01,200 --> 01:14:58,120
glossolalia they would be speaking in

1770
01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:01,210
tongues yeah basically and would make

1771
01:15:06,930 --> 01:15:05,590
perfect sense to them but experiment in

1772
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:06,940
the room you'd be scratching your head

1773
01:15:11,310 --> 01:15:09,040
going better get the straitjacket ready

1774
01:15:13,950 --> 01:15:11,320
there pal and it made no sense to

1775
01:15:15,420 --> 01:15:13,960
anybody else except them it's a and I

1776
01:15:17,610 --> 01:15:15,430
think that's what the UFO thing is

1777
01:15:20,130 --> 01:15:17,620
ultimately I think it Li streamer talked

1778
01:15:21,780 --> 01:15:20,140
about this he said whatever it is this

1779
01:15:23,730 --> 01:15:21,790
is one view of it whatever it is it's

1780
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,740
trying to affect us and trying to

1781
01:15:29,010 --> 01:15:25,600
communicate with us does it on a very

1782
01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:29,020
individualistic way basis very

1783
01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:31,870
democratic I mean you know anybody can

1784
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:34,030
have the experience and anybody does

1785
01:15:38,490 --> 01:15:36,610
it's just that they can't go and they

1786
01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:38,500
can't start some kind of revolution and

1787
01:15:41,670 --> 01:15:39,880
you have everybody thinking that way

1788
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:41,680
because there's no way to describe

1789
01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:44,800
what's going on with those people except

1790
01:15:49,950 --> 01:15:47,260
to have it happen to yourself right yeah

1791
01:15:52,020 --> 01:15:49,960
exactly it's completely immersed in the

1792
01:15:54,030 --> 01:15:52,030
experiential realm as opposed to the

1793
01:15:56,430 --> 01:15:54,040
trying to communicate it to somebody

1794
01:15:58,410 --> 01:15:56,440
else they have to have the experience or

1795
01:16:01,680 --> 01:15:58,420
an aspect of the experience to even be

1796
01:16:04,380 --> 01:16:01,690
in the same ballpark to understand it

1797
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:04,390
yeah and that's why it's interesting to

1798
01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:06,970
me the motivations of people like Jean

1799
01:16:12,090 --> 01:16:09,670
or Stanton Friedman and others were

1800
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:12,100
absolutely immersed and completely

1801
01:16:17,130 --> 01:16:14,170
fascinated by the subject of the

1802
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:17,140
paranormal or UFOs in particular and yet

1803
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:19,450
they've never had a UFO experience that

1804
01:16:24,450 --> 01:16:21,310
they can definitively say that was

1805
01:16:26,460 --> 01:16:24,460
something that was you cannot explain we

1806
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:26,470
can't explain this ladies and gentlemen

1807
01:16:31,530 --> 01:16:28,960
but we'll try Greg Bishop is with us

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with Gene and Kris you're in the para

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do I'm not so sure sir Johnson I got a

1835
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mission for you that could change your

1836
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life good sir it involves traveling

1837
01:17:59,930 --> 01:17:58,679
halfway around the world will add so

1838
01:18:00,799 --> 01:17:59,940
much as half a clue of where you're

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going or what you're gonna do when you

1840
01:18:04,910 --> 01:18:03,389
get there situation normal sir I'll be

1841
01:18:06,379 --> 01:18:04,920
leading this mission Johnson so I'll be

1842
01:18:08,029 --> 01:18:06,389
telling you what to do you sir that's

1843
01:18:08,510 --> 01:18:08,039
right Johnson and I say first things

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first

1845
01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:12,929
food always remember that Johnson food

1846
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is a big deal sir my brother Larkin gets

1847
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a really good deal on some surplus MREs

1848
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Johnson if you've got half a brain and

1849
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that empty head of yours you'll call the

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freeze dry guy like I did that food is

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better for you rehydrates faster any

1852
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it's good Johnson and it keeps for up to

1853
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thirty years we be gone that long sir I

1854
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hope not

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now get your supplies organized and meet

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miserable people there are I'm serious

1863
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I'm talking about people of all ages who

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have conditions and diseases which

1865
01:18:58,950 --> 01:18:57,220
affect their quality of life most of

1866
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them seem to have one thing in common

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polypharmacy that is dependence on

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buildings at prices you will never see

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again don't miss these prices of 50 by

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manufacturers if you need a larger

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building try a 100 by 100 commercial

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building for a hundred and twenty nine

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thousand you can't afford to rent with

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these prices imagine a 70 by 100 foot

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church building for under sixty nine

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thousand dollars with the economy

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improving and interest rates still at

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historic lows you can't afford to wait

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so call 866 91 steel lock in your price

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now call 866 91 steel that's eight six

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01:20:55,710 --> 01:20:52,800
hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

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01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:55,720
in to the para cast let me tell you what

1917
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:58,090
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

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01:21:05,070 --> 01:21:01,600
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

1919
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:05,080
that George Noory sparking all sorts of

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01:21:10,020 --> 01:21:07,330
interesting speculation when Gregg is

1921
01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:10,030
here it becomes an exciting time because

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01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:13,390
we never know where we will go or how

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01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:15,810
we'll get there or whether we will get

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01:21:20,940 --> 01:21:18,610
shall we continue yeah we don't have to

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01:21:22,460 --> 01:21:20,950
get anywhere that that's that's gotten

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01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:22,470
us nowhere trying to get somewhere

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01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:25,450
exactly I agree I agree if you lived

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01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:33,430
here you'd be home by now if you lived

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01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:37,120
here you be home now I think I live here

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01:21:42,450 --> 01:21:39,850
the landlord hasn't come to throw us out

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01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:42,460
yet maybe next week you know that's good

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01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:45,760
that's progress yeah well here's another

1933
01:21:50,580 --> 01:21:47,830
question from burnt State who's one of

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01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:50,590
our just brilliant minds that post at

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01:21:59,160 --> 01:21:55,120
forum dr. Peric ascom he's over the 2600

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01:22:01,560 --> 01:21:59,170
post mark and he's had 2700 likes for

1937
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:01,570
his post which is which is a real

1938
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:03,520
testament to the quality of his thinking

1939
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:05,290
and the quality of his questions I

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01:22:10,620 --> 01:22:06,970
remember him now

1941
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:10,630
we had Greg recently we discussed the

1942
01:22:15,330 --> 01:22:13,090
Heaven's Gate cult and he's wondering

1943
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:15,340
obviously that show is sticking in his

1944
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:16,690
mind because he wants to know what your

1945
01:22:21,330 --> 01:22:18,970
thoughts are on the Heaven's Gate called

1946
01:22:23,729 --> 01:22:21,340
and the idea of moral responsibility in

1947
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:23,739
ufology should you follow just take

1948
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:25,810
responsibility for lies and deceptions

1949
01:22:29,490 --> 01:22:27,970
that may influence or impact in

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01:22:32,330 --> 01:22:29,500
individuals such as the Heaven's Gate

1951
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:32,340
comic companion or with hypnotic

1952
01:22:37,170 --> 01:22:35,110
regression and hypnosis subjects well I

1953
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:37,180
think there I'm not sure I think they're

1954
01:22:40,740 --> 01:22:38,080
two different things

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01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:40,750
if somebody's in some sort of a you know

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01:22:46,830 --> 01:22:44,560
very specific group with very specific

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01:22:48,630 --> 01:22:46,840
ideas looking for any excuse to do

1958
01:22:50,850 --> 01:22:48,640
whatever they're gonna do I don't think

1959
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:50,860
the UFO community or commentators

1960
01:22:55,530 --> 01:22:52,690
anything responsible what crazy people

1961
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:55,540
do right you know that's that's I'm

1962
01:22:58,089 --> 01:22:57,730
sorry to say that I mean it's like you

1963
01:22:59,859 --> 01:22:58,099
can

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01:23:02,560 --> 01:22:59,869
they're gonna they're gonna do something

1965
01:23:05,379 --> 01:23:02,570
crazy no matter what happens they're

1966
01:23:07,149 --> 01:23:05,389
gonna find some other excuse probably so

1967
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:07,159
in other words chuck SRAM ik when he

1968
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:10,130
came up with this photograph he claimed

1969
01:23:16,060 --> 01:23:12,650
was a companion to Hale Bopp there was

1970
01:23:18,370 --> 01:23:16,070
no reason for him not to do that if

1971
01:23:20,379 --> 01:23:18,380
known that happens gate was gonna jump

1972
01:23:23,169 --> 01:23:20,389
on on board on that whole idea and use

1973
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:23,179
as an excuse to to check out it's not

1974
01:23:28,359 --> 01:23:25,810
his responsibility you know to answer

1975
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:28,369
Daisy people do what are you supposed to

1976
01:23:32,140 --> 01:23:30,290
do check everything you say in case some

1977
01:23:33,879 --> 01:23:32,150
crazy person takes it and runs with it

1978
01:23:35,859 --> 01:23:33,889
you would never say anything yeah

1979
01:23:37,899 --> 01:23:35,869
exactly it's not your responsibility and

1980
01:23:40,780 --> 01:23:37,909
I'm sorry those people killed themselves

1981
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:40,790
and all that but the thing of going and

1982
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:43,760
looking for blame is ridiculous yeah

1983
01:23:48,459 --> 01:23:45,710
yeah just be careful when you draw

1984
01:23:51,870 --> 01:23:48,469
cartoons of Muhammad yeah exactly and

1985
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:51,880
the other part of the question about

1986
01:23:57,129 --> 01:23:54,170
abduction research I guess that's what

1987
01:24:00,250 --> 01:23:57,139
it meant at what he meant and the

1988
01:24:01,959 --> 01:24:00,260
responsibility there you know there I

1989
01:24:03,939 --> 01:24:01,969
have a little bit more specific ideas

1990
01:24:07,859 --> 01:24:03,949
yeah I think a little responsibility is

1991
01:24:10,359 --> 01:24:07,869
is shared maybe a lot by somebody who is

1992
01:24:12,189 --> 01:24:10,369
looking for evidence of a certain thing

1993
01:24:13,899 --> 01:24:12,199
and somebody comes to them thinking

1994
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:13,909
something has happened to them and the

1995
01:24:18,700 --> 01:24:15,730
interaction between those two is

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01:24:20,890 --> 01:24:18,710
basically a feedback loop I think in a

1997
01:24:22,689 --> 01:24:20,900
lot of ways and that's that that's

1998
01:24:24,010 --> 01:24:22,699
probably not good I used to have people

1999
01:24:25,870 --> 01:24:24,020
write to me when I was at when I was

2000
01:24:27,550 --> 01:24:25,880
doing excluded middle magazine I'm sure

2001
01:24:28,990 --> 01:24:27,560
you two have had the same thing the

2002
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:29,000
right chin say these weird things have

2003
01:24:33,490 --> 01:24:31,130
happened to me and I don't know what to

2004
01:24:35,740 --> 01:24:33,500
do and I don't know who to talk to and I

2005
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:35,750
would answer these people I would answer

2006
01:24:39,370 --> 01:24:38,210
the emails or mail or whatever and I

2007
01:24:42,220 --> 01:24:39,380
would say that the first thing you

2008
01:24:45,850 --> 01:24:42,230
should not go to a UFO researcher do not

2009
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:45,860
do that go somewhere else first go to a

2010
01:24:52,510 --> 01:24:49,610
you know a therapist or a psychologist

2011
01:24:53,649 --> 01:24:52,520
or somebody you like to talk to or you

2012
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:53,659
know friends of yours or whatever

2013
01:24:57,399 --> 01:24:55,610
somebody you think you could talk to and

2014
01:24:59,740 --> 01:24:57,409
talk about this don't go to the UFO

2015
01:25:01,060 --> 01:24:59,750
person first I don't know if that was

2016
01:25:03,220 --> 01:25:01,070
the right thing to say but my gut

2017
01:25:05,169 --> 01:25:03,230
feeling was that if there is a

2018
01:25:07,689 --> 01:25:05,179
possibility that something else is going

2019
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:07,699
on it it behooves that person to know

2020
01:25:11,319 --> 01:25:09,170
that something else might be going on

2021
01:25:11,770 --> 01:25:11,329
not the standard I'm being taken by

2022
01:25:15,310 --> 01:25:11,780
alien

2023
01:25:17,919 --> 01:25:15,320
and have my having my DNA sampled and

2024
01:25:20,649 --> 01:25:17,929
having you know false pregnancies etc

2025
01:25:23,020 --> 01:25:20,659
etc I don't know exactly what goes on in

2026
01:25:24,700 --> 01:25:23,030
that I interviewed Peter Robbins and how

2027
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:24,710
he worked with Budd Hopkins for many

2028
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:27,110
years and I don't agree with but Hopkins

2029
01:25:30,939 --> 01:25:28,400
and I don't totally agree with Peter

2030
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:30,949
either but the thing is what I what I

2031
01:25:35,709 --> 01:25:33,170
came the conclusion with Peter was if I

2032
01:25:36,970 --> 01:25:35,719
was in that situation and working with

2033
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:36,980
him the whole time I might have a

2034
01:25:41,319 --> 01:25:39,770
different opinion if I had been in the

2035
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:41,329
middle of that for as many years as he

2036
01:25:47,260 --> 01:25:44,239
was I have no idea but you know on the

2037
01:25:50,529 --> 01:25:47,270
face of it to me it seems like there is

2038
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:50,539
a co-creation of some sort of narrative

2039
01:25:55,899 --> 01:25:54,170
going on which every time somebody talks

2040
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:55,909
to a UFO researcher or induction

2041
01:26:00,640 --> 01:25:58,159
therapist gets further away from what

2042
01:26:03,970 --> 01:26:00,650
that thing might have been is what I

2043
01:26:07,930 --> 01:26:03,980
think no well I think the underlying

2044
01:26:10,089 --> 01:26:07,940
thing is is I think but really genuinely

2045
01:26:12,850 --> 01:26:10,099
was trying to help people and I know

2046
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:12,860
Peter I mean Peter is one of them is one

2047
01:26:16,540 --> 01:26:14,570
of the most glowing wonderful guys you

2048
01:26:19,149 --> 01:26:16,550
could ever want to meet yeah which is

2049
01:26:20,589 --> 01:26:19,159
why I listen a huge heart seriously but

2050
01:26:23,649 --> 01:26:20,599
you know the road to hell can be paved

2051
01:26:26,350 --> 01:26:23,659
with good intentions as well so yeah I

2052
01:26:30,010 --> 01:26:26,360
hate to be cliche about it but it is

2053
01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:30,020
real it's it's really tenuous ground

2054
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:33,070
when you're dealing with deeply rooted

2055
01:26:37,979 --> 01:26:36,170
issues that may be psychological may be

2056
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:37,989
emotional maybe actually

2057
01:26:45,299 --> 01:26:42,530
phenomenological it's really it's it's

2058
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:45,309
it's very tenuous territory thin eyes

2059
01:26:50,919 --> 01:26:48,530
yeah well my natural inclination every

2060
01:26:53,410 --> 01:26:50,929
time I say something and people know

2061
01:26:54,910 --> 01:26:53,420
this is is like you Chris I mean if

2062
01:26:56,500 --> 01:26:54,920
somebody's looking one way I'm gonna

2063
01:26:59,140 --> 01:26:56,510
look the other way to see what's going

2064
01:27:00,520 --> 01:26:59,150
on and if there's a big if here's my

2065
01:27:02,799 --> 01:27:00,530
philosophy if there's more than two

2066
01:27:06,459 --> 01:27:02,809
people in a group doing the same thing I

2067
01:27:09,490 --> 01:27:06,469
usually run you know it's even if I

2068
01:27:12,100 --> 01:27:09,500
think it's gonna do me some good a

2069
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:12,110
famous statement from Groucho Marx of

2070
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:14,090
course yeah I would not want to be a

2071
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:15,530
member remember any club that would have

2072
01:27:19,419 --> 01:27:17,840
me as a member yeah I guess I kind of

2073
01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:19,429
agree with that I mean every time I join

2074
01:27:25,060 --> 01:27:22,369
something after a while I kind of I kind

2075
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:25,070
of think everybody's every time you say

2076
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:25,690
something

2077
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:29,890
dogma people look at you funny or if

2078
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:32,650
they're if they they're really scared

2079
01:27:37,260 --> 01:27:35,440
they try to excommunicate you or look at

2080
01:27:39,420 --> 01:27:37,270
you like you're crazy or whatever and

2081
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:39,430
all you're trying to do is is question

2082
01:27:43,410 --> 01:27:41,890
things and some people don't like that

2083
01:27:45,180 --> 01:27:43,420
groups especially don't like that

2084
01:27:46,890 --> 01:27:45,190
because it threatens the group dynamic

2085
01:27:48,660 --> 01:27:46,900
you know it threatens and also the

2086
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:48,670
groups are looking to be entertained and

2087
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:51,250
that's that here's another question from

2088
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:53,650
the forums that you can post your

2089
01:27:59,360 --> 01:27:56,290
questions at forum dr. Peric ascom this

2090
01:28:02,820 --> 01:27:59,370
one comes from longtime forum member srl

2091
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:02,830
and he writes the paradigms symposium is

2092
01:28:07,470 --> 01:28:06,250
coming up in October 2015 and while at

2093
01:28:08,670 --> 01:28:07,480
the website I was looking over the

2094
01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:08,680
presenters and there was quite a

2095
01:28:13,470 --> 01:28:11,199
selection the question here for anyone

2096
01:28:15,300 --> 01:28:13,480
willing to take a stab at it is what

2097
01:28:17,010 --> 01:28:15,310
percentage of presenters that any given

2098
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:17,020
event should a reasonable individual

2099
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:19,570
consider as primarily entertainers and

2100
01:28:24,090 --> 01:28:22,000
not to be taken seriously in your

2101
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:24,100
opinions do attendees realize that some

2102
01:28:28,500 --> 01:28:25,890
presenters lack academic credibility

2103
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:28,510
moral stamina and intellectual honesty

2104
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:31,570
or is it that an attendees primary

2105
01:28:35,850 --> 01:28:34,330
desires to be entertained being that all

2106
01:28:37,470 --> 01:28:35,860
of you have either attended or presented

2107
01:28:39,930 --> 01:28:37,480
at such events what percentage of

2108
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:39,940
attendees attendees would you venture

2109
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:42,370
felt through experiencing the

2110
01:28:48,420 --> 01:28:45,090
extraordinary and attended in an effort

2111
01:28:51,450 --> 01:28:48,430
of mitigating their experiences I'm not

2112
01:28:53,820 --> 01:28:51,460
sure it's in other words I think what

2113
01:28:55,740 --> 01:28:53,830
he's saying is what percentage of the

2114
01:28:57,330 --> 01:28:55,750
people that are going there are not

2115
01:28:58,920 --> 01:28:57,340
there just simply to be entertained but

2116
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:58,930
are trying to get to the bottom of some

2117
01:29:04,860 --> 01:29:01,360
personal personal thing that they've

2118
01:29:06,510 --> 01:29:04,870
experienced well I think they're all

2119
01:29:07,770 --> 01:29:06,520
want to be entertained to some degree

2120
01:29:09,450 --> 01:29:07,780
when I go to the things I want to be

2121
01:29:12,330 --> 01:29:09,460
entertained to but I want to be

2122
01:29:15,570 --> 01:29:12,340
entertained by you know something that's

2123
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:15,580
I have not heard before that pushes the

2124
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:17,050
conversation in a different direction

2125
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:19,120
maybe it might not even be a fruitful

2126
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:21,760
one but I think that the majority of

2127
01:29:28,140 --> 01:29:25,330
people like in you know in any group and

2128
01:29:29,459 --> 01:29:28,150
in this you know and we're in are in you

2129
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:29,469
know in the United States and probably

2130
01:29:33,330 --> 01:29:30,730
some other countries too

2131
01:29:35,870 --> 01:29:33,340
I don't think they're interested in

2132
01:29:39,660 --> 01:29:35,880
answer is they're interested in

2133
01:29:41,939 --> 01:29:39,670
basically just more titillating stories

2134
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:41,949
porno and maybe different you know

2135
01:29:45,900 --> 01:29:44,650
aspects of that UFO porno and that's not

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to say that the people that are doing

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the speaking are there just to make

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money or just to be famous or just I

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think if you know at least a few of them

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are there because they really have

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something to say they really think that

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there's there's something and needs to

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be said and they said they're sincere in

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their presentation of it and I like to

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think that I did that when I was you

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know the Latin times I've spoken and I

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realized after a while that people did

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like to be entertained so I would you

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know I would go off script quite a bit

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because you know Chris you probably

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noticed this when you just ripped and

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start talking about so people suddenly

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get very engaged and and want to hear

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what's going on they don't want to have

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a canned spiel which is worth it let's

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do our break here we have Greg Bishop

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and we've got gene and Chris sometimes

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you're in first game attack of the

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[Music]

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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and also the after the power cast

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podcast plus stop the power cast com we

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have Greg Bishop and we're talking about

2271
01:35:43,220 --> 01:35:39,440
all sorts of things that of course are

2272
01:35:45,259 --> 01:35:43,230
out of the box or not always acceptable

2273
01:35:48,189 --> 01:35:45,269
in different surroundings but we have to

2274
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:48,199
do it now the obvious question here is

2275
01:35:53,779 --> 01:35:51,449
if we were actually to solve the UFO

2276
01:35:55,279 --> 01:35:53,789
mystery all these lecturers all the

2277
01:35:57,319 --> 01:35:55,289
people who write books all the people

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01:35:59,810 --> 01:35:57,329
who are professional UFO researchers

2279
01:36:00,439 --> 01:35:59,820
making a living wouldn't they be out of

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01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:00,449
business

2281
01:36:08,330 --> 01:36:06,239
I don't think it's likely at all that

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01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:08,340
we're going to in our lifetimes or in

2283
01:36:13,310 --> 01:36:09,570
the foreseeable future solve

2284
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:13,320
quote-unquote the UFO mystery part of it

2285
01:36:18,589 --> 01:36:16,320
it will bifurcate or multi-fork eight

2286
01:36:20,959 --> 01:36:18,599
into other mysteries that will be just

2287
01:36:23,149 --> 01:36:20,969
as interesting fascinating and and

2288
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:23,159
inscrutable as the UFO mystery is now

2289
01:36:30,979 --> 01:36:27,840
right yeah I agree and if an aspect of

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01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:30,989
the field is proven correct and then

2291
01:36:36,939 --> 01:36:33,210
they'll have lots of cachet and and

2292
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:36,949
they'll be they'll be acknowledged for

2293
01:36:41,540 --> 01:36:40,050
guessing correctly or you know postulate

2294
01:36:44,419 --> 01:36:41,550
incorrectly and everybody else will be

2295
01:36:45,620 --> 01:36:44,429
like oh well but I agree with Greg I

2296
01:36:48,109 --> 01:36:45,630
don't think there's a snowball's chance

2297
01:36:51,020 --> 01:36:48,119
in hell sorry for the cliche but it's a

2298
01:36:56,140 --> 01:36:51,030
good one I don't think that there's any

2299
01:36:59,629 --> 01:36:56,150
possibility that overarching complete

2300
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:59,639
answers to this to quite a number of

2301
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:01,679
mysteries not only UFOs but but I think

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01:37:05,779 --> 01:37:04,530
paranormal subjects in general the more

2303
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:05,789
you know the more you know you don't

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01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,159
know the more questions get answered the

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01:37:12,649 --> 01:37:10,320
more questions arise and and that's I

2306
01:37:14,569 --> 01:37:12,659
think that's part of human nature we're

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01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:14,579
gonna we're being you know that carrot

2308
01:37:18,620 --> 01:37:16,650
is dragging us down the hill and we're

2309
01:37:20,030 --> 01:37:18,630
kicking ourselves and the rear ends to

2310
01:37:21,950 --> 01:37:20,040
keep keep us moving

2311
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:21,960
well are we then creating the UFO

2312
01:37:26,780 --> 01:37:24,570
mystery to keep us moving well someone

2313
01:37:28,370 --> 01:37:26,790
like a David Perkins would say that he

2314
01:37:30,170 --> 01:37:28,380
would say that this is an evolutionary

2315
01:37:31,940 --> 01:37:30,180
imperative that we have designed

2316
01:37:34,670 --> 01:37:31,950
collectively to pull ourselves off

2317
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:34,680
planet to seed the universe before the

2318
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:36,570
earth gets taken out by an asteroid or

2319
01:37:43,820 --> 01:37:40,650
coronal mass ejection yeah I think and

2320
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:43,830
I've been bitching and whining about

2321
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:46,170
this for quite a while that we don't

2322
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:48,000
give ourselves enough credit for

2323
01:37:54,050 --> 01:37:51,330
creating what we think is the UFO thing

2324
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:54,060
that we don't give ourselves enough

2325
01:37:59,180 --> 01:37:56,850
credit for that and don't notice it and

2326
01:38:01,160 --> 01:37:59,190
I think a lot of the mystery here is is

2327
01:38:04,460 --> 01:38:01,170
the way we perceive things talk about

2328
01:38:06,500 --> 01:38:04,470
things go about solving problems

2329
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:06,510
mysteries and interact with each other a

2330
01:38:13,370 --> 01:38:08,610
lot of these things are involved in the

2331
01:38:16,340 --> 01:38:13,380
UFO thing and it's invisible to us

2332
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:16,350
because it's coming from us and I think

2333
01:38:20,540 --> 01:38:18,000
that might be part of the mystery and

2334
01:38:23,450 --> 01:38:20,550
part of the getting further along in it

2335
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:23,460
is realizing how much we contribute to

2336
01:38:29,690 --> 01:38:27,840
it it's a co-creative process and if

2337
01:38:32,030 --> 01:38:29,700
it's a co-creative process it was a

2338
01:38:33,290 --> 01:38:32,040
question from silly rabbit have

2339
01:38:35,810 --> 01:38:33,300
attitudes in the mainstream media

2340
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:35,820
shifted his coverage of high strange

2341
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:37,290
events becoming more serious or

2342
01:38:40,730 --> 01:38:39,810
even-handed in tone are we still stuck

2343
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:40,740
with the ridiculous

2344
01:38:45,410 --> 01:38:43,050
x-files music non-serious reporting I

2345
01:38:48,260 --> 01:38:45,420
would add Twilight Zone themes and

2346
01:38:50,420 --> 01:38:48,270
little green men comments are there any

2347
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:50,430
discernible trends in this regard and I

2348
01:38:54,590 --> 01:38:52,650
will add if we are part of the

2349
01:38:58,250 --> 01:38:54,600
co-creative process the media has

2350
01:39:00,800 --> 01:38:58,260
tremendous influence in creating certain

2351
01:39:05,810 --> 01:39:00,810
pop culture views of this phenomena or

2352
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:05,820
these phenomena within the public and we

2353
01:39:11,300 --> 01:39:07,760
better be careful with the kind of

2354
01:39:12,890 --> 01:39:11,310
co-creative images that were you know

2355
01:39:14,570 --> 01:39:12,900
that we're creating for ourselves so

2356
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:14,580
what do you think about trends in the

2357
01:39:18,740 --> 01:39:16,650
media Greg I think that if you're

2358
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:18,750
interested in the UFO subject you should

2359
01:39:25,190 --> 01:39:23,450
not watch any UFO shows at all I

2360
01:39:28,940 --> 01:39:25,200
couldn't said it better

2361
01:39:32,660 --> 01:39:28,950
don't don't watch them just fight the

2362
01:39:33,879 --> 01:39:32,670
urge to do it and if you have the time

2363
01:39:36,490 --> 01:39:33,889
the inclination

2364
01:39:38,350 --> 01:39:36,500
and the and the gumption go and start

2365
01:39:40,510 --> 01:39:38,360
looking at the thing stuff yourself and

2366
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:40,520
talking to people to interest you and

2367
01:39:44,050 --> 01:39:42,530
talking you read somebody's book and

2368
01:39:46,689 --> 01:39:44,060
contact them and ask some intelligent

2369
01:39:48,430 --> 01:39:46,699
questions they will answer you you know

2370
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:48,440
when I started doing the magazine I was

2371
01:39:51,340 --> 01:39:49,520
like I wonder if I can talk to these

2372
01:39:54,250 --> 01:39:51,350
people not one person ever turned me

2373
01:39:56,290 --> 01:39:54,260
down for an interview not one Wow cool I

2374
01:39:59,260 --> 01:39:56,300
wish I could say them do I was able to

2375
01:40:01,209 --> 01:39:59,270
talk to ya we have a few people here

2376
01:40:05,530 --> 01:40:01,219
we'd like to see in the power cast but

2377
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:05,540
they have excuses well and too bad and

2378
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:07,610
they start with Whitley Strieber

2379
01:40:12,459 --> 01:40:09,920
he agreed to come on the show several

2380
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:12,469
times so you might know this and each

2381
01:40:18,879 --> 01:40:15,650
time he found a way not to come on well

2382
01:40:20,410 --> 01:40:18,889
he's just a flaky artist guy I guess I'd

2383
01:40:22,660 --> 01:40:20,420
like to interview him too but I've never

2384
01:40:24,220 --> 01:40:22,670
really thought to you know I've asked

2385
01:40:25,330 --> 01:40:24,230
him a couple times he's like oh well I

2386
01:40:27,340 --> 01:40:25,340
don't do interviews whatever it's like

2387
01:40:28,899 --> 01:40:27,350
okay I did the same large Bell it's like

2388
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:28,909
no I don't do interviews I said okay

2389
01:40:32,350 --> 01:40:31,040
well maybe I'll ask you whoever I talked

2390
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:32,360
about it's like maybe you'll feel better

2391
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:33,920
you know different about it in a couple

2392
01:40:37,570 --> 01:40:35,449
years I don't know and they're they

2393
01:40:39,340 --> 01:40:37,580
either say maybe or they say probably

2394
01:40:41,350 --> 01:40:39,350
not but then two or three or four years

2395
01:40:42,939 --> 01:40:41,360
later I bug them again who knows they

2396
01:40:45,970 --> 01:40:42,949
might say yes and if they don't you know

2397
01:40:47,770 --> 01:40:45,980
so what at least I tried and I would you

2398
01:40:51,129 --> 01:40:47,780
know streamer would be a great get to

2399
01:40:53,020 --> 01:40:51,139
get on you show because I've got all

2400
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:53,030
kinds of questions I want to ask him and

2401
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:55,010
I have nothing to do with thinking that

2402
01:40:58,990 --> 01:40:57,770
he's crazy or or he's a charlatan or

2403
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:59,000
anything like that I don't care about

2404
01:41:02,740 --> 01:41:01,040
that in fact I don't care you know when

2405
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:02,750
people say these certain people they

2406
01:41:08,859 --> 01:41:06,290
don't like them or whatever I I'm

2407
01:41:10,570 --> 01:41:08,869
interested in people's ideas I mean

2408
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:10,580
interested in their theories and I'm

2409
01:41:13,959 --> 01:41:12,290
interested in different thinking which

2410
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:13,969
is why I like Whitley Strieber and I had

2411
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:15,530
from the beginning I don't know what

2412
01:41:20,649 --> 01:41:17,810
he's doing now really but based on his

2413
01:41:21,939 --> 01:41:20,659
communion books and you know majestic

2414
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:21,949
and things like that majestic is my

2415
01:41:26,590 --> 01:41:24,800
favorite released cerebra book but based

2416
01:41:29,140 --> 01:41:26,600
on all these books it's obvious that

2417
01:41:31,180 --> 01:41:29,150
there's so much more going on with him

2418
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:31,190
and the subject and aliens coming from

2419
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,570
other planets in fact I don't think he

2420
01:41:37,090 --> 01:41:34,400
really talks about that that much I

2421
01:41:39,010 --> 01:41:37,100
don't know no he doesn't he was an

2422
01:41:41,050 --> 01:41:39,020
interaction between him and some other

2423
01:41:42,910 --> 01:41:41,060
intelligence for some inscrutable reason

2424
01:41:45,550 --> 01:41:42,920
which fascinates me I think that's

2425
01:41:46,930 --> 01:41:45,560
probably close to my probably what's

2426
01:41:49,330 --> 01:41:46,940
going on

2427
01:41:51,370 --> 01:41:49,340
and that's just his viewpoint of it but

2428
01:41:53,530 --> 01:41:51,380
he has described it in a way nobody else

2429
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:53,540
has whatever you think of what do you

2430
01:42:00,640 --> 01:41:57,130
think is lying or crazy or whatever the

2431
01:42:03,580 --> 01:42:00,650
idea fascinates me not the not the value

2432
01:42:06,430 --> 01:42:03,590
judgment on it well yeah good point

2433
01:42:09,580 --> 01:42:06,440
you know you you there's just no arguing

2434
01:42:13,270 --> 01:42:09,590
the fact that the cover of communion has

2435
01:42:16,660 --> 01:42:13,280
had tremendous tremendous influence in

2436
01:42:18,670 --> 01:42:16,670
the pop culture collective vision and

2437
01:42:22,630 --> 01:42:18,680
view and acceptance of a particular

2438
01:42:26,110 --> 01:42:22,640
archetype of the the large almond headed

2439
01:42:29,230 --> 01:42:26,120
you know almond I'd just big headed gray

2440
01:42:33,310 --> 01:42:29,240
alien even though it's kind of brown i

2441
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:33,320
think but but that image you see it

2442
01:42:37,060 --> 01:42:34,250
everywhere now

2443
01:42:39,310 --> 01:42:37,070
and prior to Whitley's book it was not a

2444
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:39,320
common image that you were exposed to

2445
01:42:46,410 --> 01:42:42,290
yeah but after communion boy in 1987

2446
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:46,420
that really that just created this huge

2447
01:42:50,980 --> 01:42:48,560
impact within the collective unconscious

2448
01:42:52,930 --> 01:42:50,990
I think even yeah and I think that a lot

2449
01:42:54,340 --> 01:42:52,940
of people said you know that it had some

2450
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:54,350
kind of weird experience said that's

2451
01:42:59,530 --> 01:42:56,690
what that is I don't know if it's

2452
01:43:01,660 --> 01:42:59,540
because it's a direct a direct memories

2453
01:43:05,290 --> 01:43:01,670
thinking that's what happened to me and

2454
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:05,300
more like a bunch of people saying that

2455
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:07,520
looks like a good focus for what I think

2456
01:43:11,290 --> 01:43:09,770
happened to me I'm not thinking that

2457
01:43:13,150 --> 01:43:11,300
that's you know they're trying to focus

2458
01:43:16,150 --> 01:43:13,160
their anxieties and whatever have to

2459
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:16,160
them on that image because that's what

2460
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:18,170
that's what happened but because that

2461
01:43:22,030 --> 01:43:20,210
image encapsulated what they were

2462
01:43:26,770 --> 01:43:22,040
thinking and how they felt about it on

2463
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:26,780
some unspoken subconscious level in my

2464
01:43:30,430 --> 01:43:28,610
case I you know I was thinking I was

2465
01:43:33,190 --> 01:43:30,440
thinking back to my own experience when

2466
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:33,200
I was seven it's like well what I saw I

2467
01:43:37,450 --> 01:43:36,170
didn't look like that so I was kind of

2468
01:43:39,490 --> 01:43:37,460
kind of different in that regard

2469
01:43:40,750 --> 01:43:39,500
yeah and it's unfortunate it's probably

2470
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:40,760
a lot of people saw a lot of different

2471
01:43:43,660 --> 01:43:42,170
things if they had those kind of

2472
01:43:46,630 --> 01:43:43,670
experiences and then suddenly it all

2473
01:43:48,730 --> 01:43:46,640
collapsed into that then again getting

2474
01:43:50,170 --> 01:43:48,740
back to Albert Rosales and his work I

2475
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:50,180
mean you go through through those

2476
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:52,130
reports that I mean he's done an

2477
01:43:57,050 --> 01:43:55,010
incredible job of documenting claims of

2478
01:44:00,150 --> 01:43:57,060
you know

2479
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:00,160
contact with with some other type beings

2480
01:44:04,980 --> 01:44:03,250
and I mean they run the gamut I mean if

2481
01:44:06,660 --> 01:44:04,990
all these different alien types are

2482
01:44:09,390 --> 01:44:06,670
visiting this planet this must be like

2483
01:44:13,020 --> 01:44:09,400
Grand Central Station for some sort of

2484
01:44:16,980 --> 01:44:13,030
monitoring program that's Multi multi

2485
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:16,990
cultural and multiplanetary yeah and

2486
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,730
does that sound like thousands or

2487
01:44:22,260 --> 01:44:20,560
hundreds or whatever thousands of

2488
01:44:24,830 --> 01:44:22,270
different beings visiting the planet

2489
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:24,840
from other planets or does it sound like

2490
01:44:30,450 --> 01:44:28,170
the variety of people reporting them has

2491
01:44:32,580 --> 01:44:30,460
probably a lot to do with it I would go

2492
01:44:34,590 --> 01:44:32,590
with the latter yeah we could we create

2493
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:34,600
the details we're given a sketch and we

2494
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:37,570
color in the details basically yeah and

2495
01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:39,130
unfortunately if you're talking about

2496
01:44:42,180 --> 01:44:40,510
abduction researchers getting back to

2497
01:44:43,770 --> 01:44:42,190
that they've already got they've already

2498
01:44:45,450 --> 01:44:43,780
got the sketch there for you yeah they

2499
01:44:49,260 --> 01:44:45,460
built it up over many years talking to

2500
01:44:51,150 --> 01:44:49,270
many people but it became codified you

2501
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:51,160
know I'm sure they were sincere about

2502
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:54,730
helping people maybe in some way it's

2503
01:44:59,640 --> 01:44:56,320
either completely or in some way or

2504
01:45:01,530 --> 01:44:59,650
whatever I have no idea but I still like

2505
01:45:04,410 --> 01:45:01,540
the villa Boas case with a blonde haired

2506
01:45:06,660 --> 01:45:04,420
uh alien girl with the eyes that were

2507
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:06,670
too wide apart that grunted like an

2508
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:09,370
animal yes I think she had blood red

2509
01:45:16,020 --> 01:45:12,490
hair blood red hair ooh a red head yeah

2510
01:45:16,500 --> 01:45:16,030
well my wife has red hair did I tell you

2511
01:45:19,020 --> 01:45:16,510
that

2512
01:45:21,060 --> 01:45:19,030
oh no she's not one of those we have

2513
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2551
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:48,150
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2552
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:52,490
standard of paranormal radio and now

2553
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:00,480
here's Jean Steinberg of course if

2554
01:48:05,420 --> 01:48:02,370
Barbara comes over now and wonders why

2555
01:48:09,700 --> 01:48:05,430
are they talking about me are they

2556
01:48:13,550 --> 01:48:11,720
all right we haven't figured out what

2557
01:48:15,740 --> 01:48:13,560
this is yet but this is the power cast

2558
01:48:18,440 --> 01:48:15,750
with Greg Bishop we have lots of

2559
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:18,450
questions from listeners and I really

2560
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:21,690
don't want to not answer them so Chris

2561
01:48:26,750 --> 01:48:23,970
would you continue okay here's one from

2562
01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:26,760
another one from srl and he's wondering

2563
01:48:32,300 --> 01:48:28,980
about the documentary Mirage man which

2564
01:48:34,460 --> 01:48:32,310
was released in March of 2014 and you

2565
01:48:37,130 --> 01:48:34,470
were listed as acting as film consultant

2566
01:48:39,140 --> 01:48:37,140
yeah you would like to ask you Greg what

2567
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:39,150
was it like to corroborate with Mark

2568
01:48:44,900 --> 01:48:43,290
Pilkington and John Lumbergh it was fun

2569
01:48:46,700 --> 01:48:44,910
because what they did was they flew me

2570
01:48:49,610 --> 01:48:46,710
out to New Mexico had me talk about the

2571
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:49,620
book and I like New Mexico anyway so um

2572
01:48:53,570 --> 01:48:51,330
they had me out there they had me

2573
01:48:55,220 --> 01:48:53,580
driving around they shot video of me and

2574
01:48:57,650 --> 01:48:55,230
it's like you know people and they

2575
01:49:00,340 --> 01:48:57,660
didn't edit me out like every show I've

2576
01:49:03,890 --> 01:49:00,350
ever been shot had video shot of me for

2577
01:49:06,740 --> 01:49:03,900
and as far as I could tell they were

2578
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:06,750
pretty open-minded about what I would

2579
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:08,730
say and what was being presented

2580
01:49:13,010 --> 01:49:10,770
I had disagreements with them about

2581
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:13,020
certain things but in general when I

2582
01:49:17,810 --> 01:49:15,330
look at the film I think it looks

2583
01:49:20,450 --> 01:49:17,820
professional and it makes its point very

2584
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:20,460
well and it's exceedingly professionally

2585
01:49:24,130 --> 01:49:22,410
done considering all the constraints

2586
01:49:28,900 --> 01:49:24,140
they had on the money time all that

2587
01:49:31,550 --> 01:49:28,910
having watched the film myself and

2588
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:31,560
finally getting a chance to see Richard

2589
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:34,410
Doty on film for the first time that was

2590
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,370
another one it's the only time I think

2591
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:37,440
he's ever agreed to be on camera yeah

2592
01:49:42,830 --> 01:49:40,530
well what what did you think of the way

2593
01:49:46,190 --> 01:49:42,840
that his particular involvement was

2594
01:49:48,110 --> 01:49:46,200
utilized and did you really believe him

2595
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:48,120
do you think he was being upfront and

2596
01:49:54,170 --> 01:49:50,370
honest for someone that's an admitted

2597
01:49:56,210 --> 01:49:54,180
disinformation agent mm as honest as I

2598
01:49:56,750 --> 01:49:56,220
thought he could be I don't know but you

2599
01:49:58,460 --> 01:49:56,760
know I can't

2600
01:50:01,220 --> 01:49:58,470
check up on what everything he says I

2601
01:50:03,470 --> 01:50:01,230
just can't nobody really good nobody's

2602
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:03,480
man but what was your gut reaction to

2603
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:06,480
him my gut reaction is he's going to

2604
01:50:11,930 --> 01:50:08,370
tell you what he feels like saying at

2605
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:11,940
the time and if you're lucky and careful

2606
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:14,850
some of it will be valuable to you do

2607
01:50:19,070 --> 01:50:16,560
you think that he's just playing games

2608
01:50:20,690 --> 01:50:19,080
and markets are yeah I think he likes to

2609
01:50:22,460 --> 01:50:20,700
play games but the thing is you have to

2610
01:50:23,930 --> 01:50:22,470
enter it knowing that you're not the

2611
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:23,940
powerful party in that and that

2612
01:50:28,250 --> 01:50:25,920
interchange you have to enter into the

2613
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:28,260
game with him and by the way you you

2614
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:29,520
know it I found this with a lot of

2615
01:50:33,860 --> 01:50:31,770
intelligence people and dodi is a little

2616
01:50:37,310 --> 01:50:33,870
different but by the way you act the

2617
01:50:39,260 --> 01:50:37,320
questions you ask carry yourself how you

2618
01:50:40,940 --> 01:50:39,270
get there on time that's a really

2619
01:50:44,150 --> 01:50:40,950
important one people would really think

2620
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:44,160
that if you're late that's immediately

2621
01:50:48,380 --> 01:50:46,890
huge strike against you know to an

2622
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:48,390
appointment with anybody any

2623
01:50:53,450 --> 01:50:50,400
intelligence person or anybody anybody

2624
01:50:55,490 --> 01:50:53,460
that was you know involved in some kind

2625
01:50:57,530 --> 01:50:55,500
of government work they'd much rather

2626
01:51:00,620 --> 01:50:57,540
than sitting there for a half hour

2627
01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:00,630
waiting for them yeah that's a power

2628
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:03,450
play that's a power play of course no

2629
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:05,610
there's no power play whatsoever if you

2630
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:07,890
were there on time if I got there early

2631
01:51:13,070 --> 01:51:10,770
they would show up on the second so I

2632
01:51:14,930 --> 01:51:13,080
learned to just show up and right at the

2633
01:51:16,370 --> 01:51:14,940
exact time and I would like call up the

2634
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:16,380
time and make sure I had it right and

2635
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:17,730
that my watch was synchronized and all

2636
01:51:22,730 --> 01:51:19,920
that it was really crazy but the thing

2637
01:51:24,110 --> 01:51:22,740
is I found that if you did that there

2638
01:51:26,660 --> 01:51:24,120
was a respect there and you've already

2639
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:26,670
started out on a good foot and dodi was

2640
01:51:30,650 --> 01:51:28,170
not much different and the thing is that

2641
01:51:34,100 --> 01:51:30,660
he you know more had called Dodie and

2642
01:51:35,210 --> 01:51:34,110
said that I was okay to cease me we

2643
01:51:37,340 --> 01:51:35,220
wanted to say this for those who

2644
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:37,350
wondering who's more that's a little

2645
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:39,810
more yeah had called Dodie and said I

2646
01:51:44,150 --> 01:51:41,730
was okay to talk to and that he you know

2647
01:51:46,700 --> 01:51:44,160
he didn't have to feel any problem or

2648
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:46,710
pressure or threat from me and we

2649
01:51:51,140 --> 01:51:49,440
proceeded proceeded on that basis yes he

2650
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:51,150
did tell me a few things that were I

2651
01:51:55,250 --> 01:51:53,610
knew to pretty much be untrue especially

2652
01:51:56,810 --> 01:51:55,260
on you know after I went back and looked

2653
01:52:00,740 --> 01:51:56,820
at them but I don't care

2654
01:52:02,810 --> 01:52:00,750
I really don't people have that leads me

2655
01:52:04,940 --> 01:52:02,820
to another question here from Steve see

2656
01:52:06,620 --> 01:52:04,950
if Bill Moore came up to you and

2657
01:52:08,390 --> 01:52:06,630
admitted to you that he had been part of

2658
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:08,400
creating the majestic 12 documents

2659
01:52:10,610 --> 01:52:09,210
how would you

2660
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:10,620
feel about him considering that you have

2661
01:52:15,470 --> 01:52:13,170
on more than a few occasions defended

2662
01:52:17,660 --> 01:52:15,480
him on this accusation from others in

2663
01:52:19,820 --> 01:52:17,670
the UFO field would you tell him to keep

2664
01:52:21,229 --> 01:52:19,830
it to himself what would you advise him

2665
01:52:24,470 --> 01:52:21,239
how he should make this information

2666
01:52:26,150 --> 01:52:24,480
public if he told me he wouldn't want to

2667
01:52:29,050 --> 01:52:26,160
make the information public and I would

2668
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,060
repeat it and if he told me not to I

2669
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:30,960
don't know what I would do

2670
01:52:36,170 --> 01:52:33,570
I might dump anymore you don't think he

2671
01:52:37,940 --> 01:52:36,180
had in a hand and him and Chander had a

2672
01:52:43,010 --> 01:52:37,950
hand in creating those documents the

2673
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:43,020
original well sure no okay all right so

2674
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:46,080
who do you think did it oh do you think

2675
01:52:54,890 --> 01:52:50,810
did the mj-12 documents if not more and

2676
01:52:58,570 --> 01:52:54,900
seandrade somebody in the related to the

2677
01:53:01,580 --> 01:52:58,580
group that the guy Falcon was ahead of

2678
01:53:03,620 --> 01:53:01,590
was probably contracted to write them

2679
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:03,630
that that's the only thing I can think

2680
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:05,370
that that actually happened it's not

2681
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:07,440
because Moore told me that or suggested

2682
01:53:14,120 --> 01:53:11,210
it that's just my guess and then Moore

2683
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:14,130
got them and I think he did think that

2684
01:53:18,530 --> 01:53:16,530
there was there they were real for quite

2685
01:53:21,890 --> 01:53:18,540
a while he doesn't now I mean for

2686
01:53:23,330 --> 01:53:21,900
whatever people think about that and I

2687
01:53:25,340 --> 01:53:23,340
don't think Doty had anything to do with

2688
01:53:27,410 --> 01:53:25,350
it and I don't think Moore had anything

2689
01:53:30,440 --> 01:53:27,420
to do with I think somebody else did and

2690
01:53:33,290 --> 01:53:30,450
they wanted to see how people would

2691
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:33,300
react who would come calling who was

2692
01:53:36,860 --> 01:53:35,760
interested in the document what happened

2693
01:53:38,540 --> 01:53:36,870
when it was released into the public

2694
01:53:39,709 --> 01:53:38,550
they wanted to see a lot of things and I

2695
01:53:42,050 --> 01:53:39,719
don't think a lot I don't think all of

2696
01:53:43,490 --> 01:53:42,060
it had to deal with UFOs it had more to

2697
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:43,500
do with what people thought of them and

2698
01:53:48,530 --> 01:53:45,450
reacted to them and and how they how

2699
01:53:50,990 --> 01:53:48,540
those kinds of pieces of information

2700
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:51,000
flowed through the UFO community and

2701
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:52,530
people who were interested in the UFO

2702
01:53:56,330 --> 01:53:54,480
community that didn't care about UFOs

2703
01:53:58,640 --> 01:53:56,340
and there's there were a few of those

2704
01:54:01,550 --> 01:53:58,650
yeah good evening meeting foreign

2705
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:01,560
nationals who were at you know vacuuming

2706
01:54:06,380 --> 01:54:04,370
up UFO information because there was

2707
01:54:09,170 --> 01:54:06,390
occasionally some national security

2708
01:54:13,220 --> 01:54:09,180
stuff in it and compromising groups and

2709
01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:13,230
and doing counterintelligence uh it was

2710
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:15,450
it could have been a really well thought

2711
01:54:19,190 --> 01:54:15,890
out

2712
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:19,200
extremely masterful counterintelligence

2713
01:54:22,370 --> 01:54:20,850
effort yeah and it might have been

2714
01:54:24,230 --> 01:54:22,380
really important in the first few months

2715
01:54:26,540 --> 01:54:24,240
before they told anybody about it way

2716
01:54:27,890 --> 01:54:26,550
more important who knew about it and who

2717
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,900
was talking about it than it was

2718
01:54:33,650 --> 01:54:29,520
afterwards when they publicly released

2719
01:54:35,660 --> 01:54:33,660
it no because Timothy good I think got a

2720
01:54:37,970 --> 01:54:35,670
copy of it too and they they they said

2721
01:54:40,430 --> 01:54:37,980
that they better release it or talk to

2722
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:40,440
or say something about it because

2723
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:42,810
Timothy Goode was going to it's his

2724
01:54:49,580 --> 01:54:46,320
fault no I don't think it's his fault I

2725
01:54:50,690 --> 01:54:49,590
just think he was used as leverage you

2726
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:50,700
know yeah good point

2727
01:54:54,110 --> 01:54:52,530
yeah a lot of people forget that that

2728
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:54,120
Timothy Goode was involved from from the

2729
01:54:57,380 --> 01:54:54,690
get-go

2730
01:54:58,580 --> 01:54:57,390
yeah I mean he got sent the same stuff I

2731
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:58,590
don't know I can't remember he got sent

2732
01:55:02,450 --> 01:55:00,480
in the same format like in my film or

2733
01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:02,460
anything like that but he had copies of

2734
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:05,250
it virtually I think the same time that

2735
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:08,250
Moore in Shandra did or maybe a little

2736
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:11,520
bit after I'm not sure but eventually I

2737
01:55:15,500 --> 01:55:13,650
guess they wanted them whoever made that

2738
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:15,510
stuff up wanted it released out into the

2739
01:55:19,130 --> 01:55:17,850
public to see what would happen so what

2740
01:55:21,020 --> 01:55:19,140
do you think about people who still

2741
01:55:23,150 --> 01:55:21,030
believe it like a Stanton Friedman and

2742
01:55:24,860 --> 01:55:23,160
we going to have to break in about two

2743
01:55:26,810 --> 01:55:24,870
minutes but let's just get that started

2744
01:55:28,940 --> 01:55:26,820
what do I think of it I was like they

2745
01:55:30,590 --> 01:55:28,950
can go ahead and keep thinking about it

2746
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:30,600
fine I'm not gonna argue with them it's

2747
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:32,730
useless it's it's useless arguing with

2748
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:34,170
anybody that has made up their mind

2749
01:55:37,940 --> 01:55:35,610
about something it's just completely

2750
01:55:40,570 --> 01:55:37,950
useless in a waste of time reminds me of

2751
01:55:43,010 --> 01:55:40,580
last week's episode the power cast yes

2752
01:55:46,250 --> 01:55:43,020
and you didn't listen to it but you get

2753
01:55:48,620 --> 01:55:46,260
the tenor girl good yes sure a

2754
01:55:50,930 --> 01:55:48,630
fundamentalist thinker is going to react

2755
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:50,940
in the same way on just about anything

2756
01:55:55,340 --> 01:55:53,490
but yeah like I said I don't care if

2757
01:55:57,050 --> 01:55:55,350
people still believe it too bad

2758
01:55:58,370 --> 01:55:57,060
that's that's their problem and if they

2759
01:56:00,410 --> 01:55:58,380
want to discuss it with me too bad I

2760
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:00,420
mean it's like I don't want to discuss

2761
01:56:05,330 --> 01:56:02,850
pro or con or anything in fact I was on

2762
01:56:07,070 --> 01:56:05,340
a show about a month ago and the guy

2763
01:56:08,660 --> 01:56:07,080
said you know what can we talk about and

2764
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:08,670
I said well you know what I don't want

2765
01:56:11,450 --> 01:56:09,840
to talk I don't want to answer any more

2766
01:56:13,550 --> 01:56:11,460
questions about Bill Moore stick up for

2767
01:56:16,340 --> 01:56:13,560
him anymore I'm kind of sick of it I I

2768
01:56:18,260 --> 01:56:16,350
did discuss it now and it's fine it's

2769
01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:18,270
just that I kept hearing the same this I

2770
01:56:21,860 --> 01:56:19,890
start to realize why Bill Morris and

2771
01:56:24,110 --> 01:56:21,870
other people just stop with the UFO

2772
01:56:27,140 --> 01:56:24,120
thing cuz I gotta get tired of answering

2773
01:56:30,260 --> 01:56:27,150
the same question yeah really oh my god

2774
01:56:31,790 --> 01:56:30,270
things that you never said well why did

2775
01:56:32,330 --> 01:56:31,800
you say this I never said that oh yes

2776
01:56:33,530 --> 01:56:32,340
you did

2777
01:56:35,810 --> 01:56:33,540
like really show me where you said I

2778
01:56:37,580 --> 01:56:35,820
remember you saying it well that's not

2779
01:56:39,169 --> 01:56:37,590
showing me where I said it will they

2780
01:56:41,359 --> 01:56:39,179
have me saying things they have Chris

2781
01:56:42,530 --> 01:56:41,369
saying things I think anytime you save

2782
01:56:44,660 --> 01:56:42,540
anything in public

2783
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:44,670
somebody will insist you said something

2784
01:56:49,070 --> 01:56:46,650
you didn't say or they'll take what you

2785
01:56:51,050 --> 01:56:49,080
said out of context that happens all the

2786
01:56:53,030 --> 01:56:51,060
time and you know it's like after a

2787
01:56:55,790 --> 01:56:53,040
while you just you get a thicker skin or

2788
01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:55,800
you stop I've been pretty lucky actually

2789
01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:58,320
uh I can't even remember an instance

2790
01:57:03,709 --> 01:57:00,480
where somebody accused me of saying

2791
01:57:06,169 --> 01:57:03,719
something that I didn't what we'll start

2792
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:06,179
a rumor for you Chris that's it I'm

2793
01:57:11,450 --> 01:57:08,159
really careful not only of what I say

2794
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:11,460
but how I say it and in what context I

2795
01:57:15,470 --> 01:57:13,050
say it so I take it even you know

2796
01:57:17,689 --> 01:57:15,480
several steps further well I know I'm

2797
01:57:21,050 --> 01:57:17,699
one show and said something about a

2798
01:57:23,180 --> 01:57:21,060
certain abductee that abductee said that

2799
01:57:25,879 --> 01:57:23,190
I said it not you but that's another

2800
01:57:29,510 --> 01:57:25,889
story anyway I must be really good at it

2801
01:57:36,770 --> 01:57:29,520
if they blamed you with gene and Chris

2802
01:57:39,919 --> 01:57:36,780
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2823
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:37,800
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2824
01:58:41,300 --> 01:58:39,210
knows way too much about your financial

2825
01:58:43,729 --> 01:58:41,310
affairs I continue to hear stories about

2826
01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:43,739
property seizures frozen bank accounts

2827
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:45,690
confiscation of stocks and bonds

2828
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:47,490
it makes me wonder if the US citizen

2829
01:58:51,460 --> 01:58:49,290
will ever again have the right to life

2830
01:58:53,570 --> 01:58:51,470
liberty and the pursuit of happiness

2831
01:58:55,300 --> 01:58:53,580
unfortunately with the drug and money

2832
01:58:58,250 --> 01:58:55,310
laundering Act the IRS Revenue Ruling

2833
01:58:59,440 --> 01:58:58,260
60/45 of 1984 and the trading with the

2834
01:59:02,540 --> 01:58:59,450
enemy Act in Franklin D Roosevelt

2835
01:59:04,310 --> 01:59:02,550
executive order of 1933 some precious

2836
01:59:06,500 --> 01:59:04,320
metal holdings are subject to government

2837
01:59:07,940 --> 01:59:06,510
intervention for this reason Midas

2838
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:07,950
Resources has prepared a report

2839
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:09,690
explaining the boundaries of trading

2840
01:59:13,460 --> 01:59:11,610
precious metals privately whether if you

2841
01:59:15,140 --> 01:59:13,470
have any intention of trading with Midas

2842
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:15,150
resources or not I've instructed my

2843
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:16,770
representatives to give this report out

2844
01:59:23,730 --> 01:59:32,470
[Music]

2845
02:00:12,770 --> 02:00:10,340
1-866-931-6190 to our jury

2846
02:00:14,450 --> 02:00:12,780
try a 100 by 100 commercial building for

2847
02:00:16,190 --> 02:00:14,460
a hundred and twenty nine thousand you

2848
02:00:18,590 --> 02:00:16,200
can't afford to rent with these prices

2849
02:00:20,030 --> 02:00:18,600
imagine a 70 by 100 foot church building

2850
02:00:22,520 --> 02:00:20,040
for under sixty nine thousand dollars

2851
02:00:24,770 --> 02:00:22,530
with the economy improving and interest

2852
02:00:28,820 --> 02:00:24,780
rates still at historic lows you can't

2853
02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:28,830
afford to wait so call 866 91 steel lock

2854
02:00:35,150 --> 02:00:32,610
in your price now call 866 91 steel

2855
02:00:41,900 --> 02:00:35,160
that's eight six six nine one seven

2856
02:00:43,460 --> 02:00:41,910
eighty three thirty-five sure sir

2857
02:00:45,500 --> 02:00:43,470
Johnson I got a mission for you I could

2858
02:00:47,120 --> 02:00:45,510
change your life good sir it involves

2859
02:00:48,500 --> 02:00:47,130
traveling halfway around the world add

2860
02:00:49,430 --> 02:00:48,510
so much as half a clue of where you're

2861
02:00:52,070 --> 02:00:49,440
going or what you're gonna do when you

2862
02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:52,080
get there situation normal sir well be

2863
02:00:54,980 --> 02:00:53,490
leading this mission Johnson so I'll be

2864
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:54,990
telling you what to do you sir that's

2865
02:00:57,110 --> 02:00:56,610
right Johnson and I say first things

2866
02:00:58,520 --> 02:00:57,120
first

2867
02:01:00,799 --> 02:00:58,530
good plan sir and when I

2868
02:01:02,930 --> 02:01:00,809
as first as food always remember that

2869
02:01:04,100 --> 02:01:02,940
Johnson food is a big deal sir my

2870
02:01:05,990 --> 02:01:04,110
brother Larkin gets a really good deal

2871
02:01:08,209 --> 02:01:06,000
on some surplus MREs Johnson if you've

2872
02:01:09,770 --> 02:01:08,219
got half a brain and that empty head of

2873
02:01:11,959 --> 02:01:09,780
yours you'll call the freeze dry guy

2874
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:11,969
like I did that food is better for you

2875
02:01:16,580 --> 02:01:14,010
it rehydrates faster and it's good

2876
02:01:19,399 --> 02:01:16,590
Johnson and it keeps for up to 30 years

2877
02:01:21,140 --> 02:01:19,409
we be gone that long sir I hope not

2878
02:01:23,149 --> 02:01:21,150
now get your supplies organized and meet

2879
02:01:25,419 --> 02:01:23,159
me down to the pier at dawn and Sunday

2880
02:01:27,979 --> 02:01:25,429
we say yes sir

2881
02:01:31,220 --> 02:01:27,989
this adventure is brought to you by the

2882
02:01:34,100 --> 02:01:31,230
freeze dry guy call eight six six four

2883
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:34,110
oh four three six six three or visit

2884
02:01:43,549 --> 02:01:41,569
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2885
02:01:47,209 --> 02:01:43,559
comment or question about the para cast

2886
02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:47,219
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2887
02:01:51,350 --> 02:01:48,690
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2888
02:01:53,299 --> 02:01:51,360
at the para cast dot-com and don't

2889
02:01:56,390 --> 02:01:53,309
forget to visit our famous para cast

2890
02:02:00,529 --> 02:01:56,400
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2891
02:02:02,270 --> 02:02:00,539
cast calm you see what happens here I

2892
02:02:04,250 --> 02:02:02,280
get blamed for everything I did

2893
02:02:06,830 --> 02:02:04,260
everything all I did was get up this

2894
02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:06,840
morning and at the appointed time I

2895
02:02:12,950 --> 02:02:10,530
turned on the mixer turned on Skype set

2896
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:12,960
up the mic and here we are with Greg

2897
02:02:17,240 --> 02:02:15,090
Bishop sometimes people don't get my

2898
02:02:21,370 --> 02:02:17,250
humor I mean that happens all the time

2899
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:21,380
well then that's your problem sir I

2900
02:02:28,279 --> 02:02:23,730
don't know if Chris thinks it's funny it

2901
02:02:29,750 --> 02:02:28,289
sounds like it's their problem unless

2902
02:02:31,970 --> 02:02:29,760
you're trying to be a stand-up comedian

2903
02:02:33,919 --> 02:02:31,980
then it is your problem I've been

2904
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:33,929
working on a stand-up routine for years

2905
02:02:39,500 --> 02:02:36,570
I mean I tried one of my jokes on Kevin

2906
02:02:40,580 --> 02:02:39,510
Randle and he was not happy I don't want

2907
02:02:43,069 --> 02:02:40,590
to hear that one again

2908
02:02:45,620 --> 02:02:43,079
I won't i won't i won't bore you with it

2909
02:02:47,720 --> 02:02:45,630
okay well alright so you have a stand-up

2910
02:02:50,930 --> 02:02:47,730
routine give us a joke tell us a joke

2911
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:50,940
sir no no i don't want to bore you now i

2912
02:02:54,529 --> 02:02:52,650
want to get back to some of our listener

2913
02:02:56,569 --> 02:02:54,539
questions and here's an important one

2914
02:02:59,330 --> 02:02:56,579
and this comes from toxic surf and he

2915
02:03:01,430 --> 02:02:59,340
rarely or she rarely comes out of the

2916
02:03:02,750 --> 02:03:01,440
woodwork I mean we're talking someone

2917
02:03:06,350 --> 02:03:02,760
that's been a member of the pair of cast

2918
02:03:08,540 --> 02:03:06,360
forums for almost five years and the

2919
02:03:11,900 --> 02:03:08,550
question is when are you going to post

2920
02:03:13,850 --> 02:03:11,910
the year ends or gay award podcast I had

2921
02:03:17,090 --> 02:03:13,860
and on listening live but my gal had

2922
02:03:18,860 --> 02:03:17,100
different plans uh I don't know I'm

2923
02:03:19,400 --> 02:03:18,870
working on it right now problem within a

2924
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:19,410
week or two

2925
02:03:25,580 --> 02:03:22,650
there you go toxic surf alright it's

2926
02:03:28,730 --> 02:03:25,590
just I you know I have these shows and I

2927
02:03:32,360 --> 02:03:28,740
want to make sure one that they're they

2928
02:03:34,820 --> 02:03:32,370
sound good to the you know there's not

2929
02:03:36,590 --> 02:03:34,830
this big areas of dead space in between

2930
02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:36,600
and three and probably most importantly

2931
02:03:44,180 --> 02:03:41,610
I don't sound stupid well unfortunately

2932
02:03:46,340 --> 02:03:44,190
boy here at the para cast I I really

2933
02:03:50,200 --> 02:03:46,350
have to be careful because Jeanne leaves

2934
02:03:52,490 --> 02:03:50,210
everything Institute everything's intact

2935
02:03:55,610 --> 02:03:52,500
people may not know this but when after

2936
02:03:58,280 --> 02:03:55,620
I do the show I listen to basically the

2937
02:03:59,840 --> 02:03:58,290
entire show again just to see if there's

2938
02:04:01,370 --> 02:03:59,850
anything in there that I'd like because

2939
02:04:03,860 --> 02:04:01,380
it's permanent it's out there forever

2940
02:04:05,270 --> 02:04:03,870
after after I post it and if there's

2941
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:05,280
something in there I didn't want to say

2942
02:04:11,270 --> 02:04:07,890
or you know I said that was wrong or

2943
02:04:12,620 --> 02:04:11,280
whatever I'd like a chance to you know

2944
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:12,630
get it out of it I don't change anything

2945
02:04:16,910 --> 02:04:14,490
I don't go and start adding things I

2946
02:04:19,900 --> 02:04:16,920
never do that but I'm also I'm always

2947
02:04:21,710 --> 02:04:19,910
taking things out especially um us

2948
02:04:23,120 --> 02:04:21,720
sometimes we'll talk about something

2949
02:04:24,890 --> 02:04:23,130
irrelevant that I think is not very

2950
02:04:26,690 --> 02:04:24,900
interesting if it's irrelevant and funny

2951
02:04:28,310 --> 02:04:26,700
or interesting I'll leave it in there

2952
02:04:29,570 --> 02:04:28,320
but if not I'll take it out and that's

2953
02:04:31,310 --> 02:04:29,580
why a lot of these things take a while

2954
02:04:33,050 --> 02:04:31,320
because I do I don't sit there itself

2955
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:33,060
edit while we're doing the shows I just

2956
02:04:37,400 --> 02:04:35,610
we just go in fact if I know the person

2957
02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:37,410
I don't even have a set of questions but

2958
02:04:42,020 --> 02:04:39,570
if it's a new person like or somebody

2959
02:04:44,750 --> 02:04:42,030
that's very smart and and intimidating

2960
02:04:47,480 --> 02:04:44,760
to me like Dean Radin I have a list of

2961
02:04:49,430 --> 02:04:47,490
questions oh yeah oh boy questions and

2962
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:49,440
we never get through all of them but I

2963
02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:52,050
have a list they're ready to go but if

2964
02:04:56,900 --> 02:04:54,450
I'm talking to you know you Chris or or

2965
02:04:59,030 --> 02:04:56,910
Paul or or Nick Redfern or Adam go

2966
02:05:00,350 --> 02:04:59,040
rightly or you know any of the Walt or

2967
02:05:02,780 --> 02:05:00,360
any of the normal people I have on the

2968
02:05:04,820 --> 02:05:02,790
show a lot I almost never have a list of

2969
02:05:06,350 --> 02:05:04,830
stuff to talk about I don't make a list

2970
02:05:07,460 --> 02:05:06,360
I just come in and sometimes I talked

2971
02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:07,470
them a little bit beforehand and said

2972
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:08,370
we're gonna talk about these few things

2973
02:05:11,660 --> 02:05:09,840
I guess okay whatever

2974
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:11,670
because they're friends of mine and I

2975
02:05:15,410 --> 02:05:13,290
you know I'm pretty comfortable of what

2976
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:15,420
we're gonna talk about and wherever the

2977
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:17,040
conversation may leak you know kind of

2978
02:05:20,090 --> 02:05:18,330
like this where I don't even know if

2979
02:05:22,520 --> 02:05:20,100
we're on topic but I like answering the

2980
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:22,530
questions I don't even know if we have a

2981
02:05:25,110 --> 02:05:23,650
topic I don't think we

2982
02:05:26,790 --> 02:05:25,120
have a topic that's great that's it

2983
02:05:28,050 --> 02:05:26,800
don't worry we'll think of a topic you

2984
02:05:29,790 --> 02:05:28,060
see what I do in terms of

2985
02:05:31,890 --> 02:05:29,800
post-production and Chris knows this is

2986
02:05:34,979 --> 02:05:31,900
I'd listen to the show one more time

2987
02:05:36,959 --> 02:05:34,989
because one thing is I have to refine

2988
02:05:38,640 --> 02:05:36,969
the timings for the network everything

2989
02:05:41,430 --> 02:05:38,650
has to be submitted within a tenth of a

2990
02:05:43,740 --> 02:05:41,440
second so I clean it up a little bit so

2991
02:05:46,709 --> 02:05:43,750
a ten minute segment takes me 15 minutes

2992
02:05:48,450 --> 02:05:46,719
to clean it up and I am claimed to be

2993
02:05:50,910 --> 02:05:48,460
the greatest audio editor but what I do

2994
02:05:54,570 --> 02:05:50,920
is I take out a few of the R's and

2995
02:05:56,270 --> 02:05:54,580
whatever a few of the stutters not

2996
02:05:59,700 --> 02:05:56,280
completely because I want to be natural

2997
02:06:02,820 --> 02:05:59,710
but I clean it up and I send it out and

2998
02:06:05,399 --> 02:06:02,830
that's it for posterity for the rest of

2999
02:06:07,200 --> 02:06:05,409
time there's been a few times where

3000
02:06:11,580 --> 02:06:07,210
you've less left some things in there

3001
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:11,590
that came back and kind of bit us that

3002
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:14,320
was deliberate sir my personality comes

3003
02:06:18,720 --> 02:06:16,480
out in the way I edit the thing it is

3004
02:06:20,939 --> 02:06:18,730
edited to the way I think of things my

3005
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:20,949
personality and what I find interesting

3006
02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:23,290
and entertaining if I don't find it

3007
02:06:26,220 --> 02:06:24,730
interesting and entertaining it's not

3008
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:26,230
going to be in there okay that's

3009
02:06:28,860 --> 02:06:27,010
understandable

3010
02:06:30,780 --> 02:06:28,870
it'll take me anywhere from it's a

3011
02:06:32,490 --> 02:06:30,790
two-hour show to two and a half hours

3012
02:06:34,620 --> 02:06:32,500
depending and it'll take me anywhere

3013
02:06:36,780 --> 02:06:34,630
from three or four to maybe sometimes

3014
02:06:39,689 --> 02:06:36,790
more than that depending on how the show

3015
02:06:43,110 --> 02:06:39,699
was to do the to do the you know editing

3016
02:06:44,580 --> 02:06:43,120
filtering level changing you know I

3017
02:06:46,350 --> 02:06:44,590
don't want any of the levels to be up

3018
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:46,360
and down sometimes I'm really quiet and

3019
02:06:49,439 --> 02:06:47,770
the person that's talking is really loud

3020
02:06:51,570 --> 02:06:49,449
or vice versa I have to go through the

3021
02:06:53,100 --> 02:06:51,580
entire show it's happen a couple times

3022
02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:53,110
and adjust the level so we're at the

3023
02:06:58,680 --> 02:06:55,810
same level yeah I cheat I use an

3024
02:07:03,209 --> 02:06:58,690
application called level 8 err which is

3025
02:07:06,780 --> 02:07:03,219
kind of an automatic normalizer you know

3026
02:07:09,030 --> 02:07:06,790
compresses and limits transient you know

3027
02:07:11,220 --> 02:07:09,040
yeah it spikes and that sort of thing a

3028
02:07:13,890 --> 02:07:11,230
couple times of having that happen I

3029
02:07:15,390 --> 02:07:13,900
I've watched the levels very carefully

3030
02:07:17,010 --> 02:07:15,400
throughout the show so I haven't really

3031
02:07:18,899 --> 02:07:17,020
haven't had to do that for a while yeah

3032
02:07:20,970 --> 02:07:18,909
gene does his little dance on his mixer

3033
02:07:23,580 --> 02:07:20,980
there everybody show I've seen him do it

3034
02:07:25,290 --> 02:07:23,590
yeah it's like talking to the person and

3035
02:07:27,180 --> 02:07:25,300
one eye is over there at the the vu

3036
02:07:29,220 --> 02:07:27,190
meter making sure it's not going you

3037
02:07:30,780 --> 02:07:29,230
know that well we won I and the guest

3038
02:07:32,939 --> 02:07:30,790
talk or somebody on the phone or

3039
02:07:34,530 --> 02:07:32,949
whatever it's at the same level and I

3040
02:07:36,300 --> 02:07:34,540
will adjust it very quickly if it's not

3041
02:07:38,700 --> 02:07:36,310
I'm sure gene does the same thing yeah

3042
02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:38,710
well you know I learned that skill in

3043
02:07:44,850 --> 02:07:42,370
radio school where they told me if the

3044
02:07:46,500 --> 02:07:44,860
station over modulates the FCC's going

3045
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:46,510
to cite you and that of course doesn't

3046
02:07:50,670 --> 02:07:48,970
happen never happen in real life but

3047
02:07:52,500 --> 02:07:50,680
they said this is what's going to happen

3048
02:07:54,180 --> 02:07:52,510
so you have to really watch the levels

3049
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:54,190
and I'll tell you one time where I

3050
02:07:59,250 --> 02:07:56,890
really had an adventure this was on a

3051
02:08:02,250 --> 02:07:59,260
Sunday morning I'm working at a small

3052
02:08:04,620 --> 02:08:02,260
radio station in Alabama and we have

3053
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:04,630
this local church group come in there

3054
02:08:09,540 --> 02:08:07,570
and the sermon starts they're doing it

3055
02:08:11,010 --> 02:08:09,550
live there three or four of them and I

3056
02:08:13,110 --> 02:08:11,020
guess they bring some musical

3057
02:08:14,730 --> 02:08:13,120
instruments and everything so they come

3058
02:08:18,420 --> 02:08:14,740
in there and the first thing the manager

3059
02:08:20,550 --> 02:08:18,430
says before they start get the money for

3060
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:20,560
the one hour they're buying but they're

3061
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:22,960
at church can't you trust the church get

3062
02:08:29,100 --> 02:08:27,010
the money okay so we take the money we

3063
02:08:32,340 --> 02:08:29,110
stick it somewhere wherever the manager

3064
02:08:34,440 --> 02:08:32,350
told us and now I'm there with my first

3065
02:08:36,630 --> 02:08:34,450
wife Geneva and we're just listening and

3066
02:08:37,980 --> 02:08:36,640
I'm watching the levels and I turned

3067
02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:37,990
them up because he's speaking very

3068
02:08:42,870 --> 02:08:40,330
softly and then his voice gets louder

3069
02:08:44,820 --> 02:08:42,880
and soon he is screaming and you don't

3070
02:08:49,620 --> 02:08:44,830
need the radio station it's a small town

3071
02:08:52,590 --> 02:08:49,630
let us open the door I've got the level

3072
02:08:55,140 --> 02:08:52,600
you know compensating so it doesn't over

3073
02:08:59,250 --> 02:08:55,150
modulate and he talks about the sinners

3074
02:09:01,560 --> 02:08:59,260
and he looks at us sitting there riding

3075
02:09:04,290 --> 02:09:01,570
the levels with my wife sitting next to

3076
02:09:06,720 --> 02:09:04,300
me and then he speaks in tongues he

3077
02:09:09,540 --> 02:09:06,730
speaks in tongues I'm telling you the

3078
02:09:12,110 --> 02:09:09,550
truth here the first and only time I've

3079
02:09:14,670 --> 02:09:12,120
heard somebody speak live in tongues

3080
02:09:17,430 --> 02:09:14,680
nothing like a little little glossolalia

3081
02:09:20,180 --> 02:09:17,440
to wake your ass up it's a Sunday

3082
02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:20,190
morning I you know was half asleep just

3083
02:09:26,130 --> 02:09:22,960
relaxing just slumming and suddenly

3084
02:09:28,200 --> 02:09:26,140
magine you and Alabama it's just it's

3085
02:09:30,840 --> 02:09:28,210
like oil and water in my brain I just

3086
02:09:39,480 --> 02:09:30,850
can't wrap my head around that that's

3087
02:09:41,580 --> 02:09:39,490
right Bama W PID Piedmont Alabama twelve

3088
02:09:43,820 --> 02:09:41,590
eighty am it's still there it's called

3089
02:09:46,110 --> 02:09:43,830
easy twelve eighty I just looked it up I

3090
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:46,120
don't know there's just something wrong

3091
02:09:52,090 --> 02:09:49,010
about that it's just wrong

3092
02:09:54,250 --> 02:09:52,100
well my background is audio editing and

3093
02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:54,260
post-production and I didn't go to

3094
02:10:00,280 --> 02:09:57,280
school for it but I yeah but you many

3095
02:10:01,900 --> 02:10:00,290
it's it's just drilled into my head the

3096
02:10:03,729 --> 02:10:01,910
way things should be with audio so

3097
02:10:06,340 --> 02:10:03,739
that's just it follows what I'm doing

3098
02:10:09,010 --> 02:10:06,350
this oh yeah me too actually uh

3099
02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:09,020
thank God Jeanne does most of the heavy

3100
02:10:15,610 --> 02:10:12,560
lifting in the audio technical division

3101
02:10:17,530 --> 02:10:15,620
of the corporation let's do our break

3102
02:10:19,870 --> 02:10:17,540
here and we can talk about it with

3103
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:19,880
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eight five five three four zero save

3156
02:12:35,549 --> 02:12:33,579
eight five five three four zero seventy

3157
02:12:38,100 --> 02:12:35,559
two eighty three results will vary from

3158
02:12:40,290 --> 02:12:38,110
case to case did you go to guns eighty

3159
02:12:42,180 --> 02:12:40,300
calm and get your ar-15 yet

3160
02:12:43,799 --> 02:12:42,190
I took my buddy mark out to lunch the

3161
02:12:46,379 --> 02:12:43,809
other day to thank him for turning me on

3162
02:12:48,450 --> 02:12:46,389
to guns eighty calm and suddenly our old

3163
02:12:50,100 --> 02:12:48,460
pal Dan showed up and joined us of

3164
02:12:51,990 --> 02:12:50,110
course mark immediately started selling

3165
02:12:53,759 --> 02:12:52,000
him on the great deals it comes a t.com

3166
02:12:55,740 --> 02:12:53,769
totally made you can buy a brand new

3167
02:12:57,209 --> 02:12:55,750
rifle with a great price keep your

3168
02:12:59,220 --> 02:12:57,219
privacy and how it can be delivered

3169
02:13:01,200 --> 02:12:59,230
right to your front door but there was

3170
02:13:03,390 --> 02:13:01,210
no visit to a gun dealer involved there

3171
02:13:05,160 --> 02:13:03,400
are no government papers to fill out dan

3172
02:13:06,660 --> 02:13:05,170
was such an easy sell you just pulled

3173
02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:06,670
out his iphone right there and went to

3174
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:09,010
guns a t-dot-com and ordered as ghosts

3175
02:13:12,839 --> 02:13:10,570
they are Wow

3176
02:13:15,089 --> 02:13:12,849
you can call guns eighty calm right now

3177
02:13:17,640 --> 02:13:15,099
their number is eight four four two guns

3178
02:13:20,160 --> 02:13:17,650
eighty that's eight four four two four

3179
02:13:22,229 --> 02:13:20,170
eight six seven eight 0 by the way

3180
02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:22,239
demand they pay market commission ok

3181
02:13:27,779 --> 02:13:25,090
call guns eighty calm at eight four four

3182
02:13:30,600 --> 02:13:27,789
two guns eighty demand they pay mark

3183
02:13:32,250 --> 02:13:30,610
please he deserves a commission go to

3184
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:32,260
eighty four four two guns eighty and get

3185
02:13:37,259 --> 02:13:34,570
your ghost ar-15 on the web at guns

3186
02:13:39,810 --> 02:13:37,269
eight zero calm though now registered

3187
02:13:42,149 --> 02:13:39,820
pharmacist Ben Fuchs ensures he gets the

3188
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:42,159
best use of his mineral supplements by

3189
02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:45,010
using youngevity s-- ultimate enzymes he

3190
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:46,570
started a nutritional supplement program

3191
02:13:49,470 --> 02:13:48,010
and you find it you get loose stools

3192
02:13:50,460 --> 02:13:49,480
more than you get any benefits from the

3193
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:50,470
supplements there's a

3194
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:51,370
good chance that you're not absorbing

3195
02:13:54,870 --> 02:13:52,810
minerals now here's the thing about

3196
02:13:57,450 --> 02:13:54,880
minerals and mineral absorption you need

3197
02:13:59,010 --> 02:13:57,460
to have a functioning fat system you

3198
02:14:00,450 --> 02:13:59,020
need to have functioning bile you need

3199
02:14:02,220 --> 02:14:00,460
to have a well-functioning liver and a

3200
02:14:04,350 --> 02:14:02,230
well-functioning gall bladder in order

3201
02:14:05,820 --> 02:14:04,360
to get the benefits from nutritional

3202
02:14:07,410 --> 02:14:05,830
supplements with minerals it's very

3203
02:14:09,450 --> 02:14:07,420
common that as we get older we don't

3204
02:14:11,220 --> 02:14:09,460
absorb fats we don't utilize fats and

3205
02:14:12,780 --> 02:14:11,230
then you won't be utilizing or absorbing

3206
02:14:14,670 --> 02:14:12,790
minerals either I would be getting on

3207
02:14:15,960 --> 02:14:14,680
the ultimate enzymes from youngevity I'd

3208
02:14:17,880 --> 02:14:15,970
be making sure I was taken with all my

3209
02:14:20,130 --> 02:14:17,890
meals to get optimal use of your

3210
02:14:22,890 --> 02:14:20,140
nutritional supplements order ultimate

3211
02:14:25,680 --> 02:14:22,900
enzymes from youngevity by calling eight

3212
02:14:28,170 --> 02:14:25,690
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3213
02:14:30,930 --> 02:14:28,180
zero that's eight six six seven three

3214
02:14:33,810 --> 02:14:30,940
five twenty four seventy or on the web

3215
02:14:41,490 --> 02:14:33,820
at bright side Bend calm that's bright

3216
02:14:45,330 --> 02:14:41,500
side been calm order today hi you

3217
02:14:48,540 --> 02:14:45,340
listening to the Paragon we have Greg

3218
02:14:50,790 --> 02:14:48,550
Bishop here and it's just a blast he

3219
02:14:53,370 --> 02:14:50,800
comes in we have no idea what we're

3220
02:14:55,890 --> 02:14:53,380
going to talk about and something starts

3221
02:15:02,160 --> 02:14:55,900
and now I'm trying to remember my first

3222
02:15:04,170 --> 02:15:02,170
job in radio WPI d Piedmont Alabama my

3223
02:15:06,720 --> 02:15:04,180
first job in radio you know maybe they

3224
02:15:12,660 --> 02:15:06,730
should carry the power cast you know

3225
02:15:13,560 --> 02:15:12,670
really what do you think preacher that'd

3226
02:15:16,260 --> 02:15:13,570
be perfect

3227
02:15:18,300 --> 02:15:16,270
that was Chapman's Chapel by the way I

3228
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:18,310
don't know if they're still there or not

3229
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:21,010
sounds like a fun after it's fun Sunday

3230
02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:25,770
morning actually hmm can I get a witness

3231
02:15:30,150 --> 02:15:28,330
let me tell you something out the rest

3232
02:15:32,370 --> 02:15:30,160
of the story as Paul Harvey would say

3233
02:15:33,330 --> 02:15:32,380
good day no Paul hardly would say the

3234
02:15:38,190 --> 02:15:33,340
rest of the story

3235
02:15:40,110 --> 02:15:38,200
their thing following weekend I was

3236
02:15:43,860 --> 02:15:40,120
sitting there again waiting for this to

3237
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:43,870
resume they never came back skipped out

3238
02:15:49,500 --> 02:15:47,290
huh I guess or maybe they didn't have

3239
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:49,510
their $40 for the hour or whatever it

3240
02:15:53,190 --> 02:15:50,050
cost

3241
02:15:56,370 --> 02:15:53,200
oh yeah we're talking about money and a

3242
02:15:59,400 --> 02:15:56,380
small radio station many many many many

3243
02:16:04,200 --> 02:15:59,410
many years ago yeah get the money first

3244
02:16:07,170 --> 02:16:04,210
right any more questions from people

3245
02:16:09,420 --> 02:16:07,180
I do I've got a good one here from srl

3246
02:16:15,540 --> 02:16:09,430
actually great survival Research

3247
02:16:18,270 --> 02:16:15,550
Laboratories I'm not sure sounds good

3248
02:16:20,220 --> 02:16:18,280
yeah we should have him post on the on

3249
02:16:23,160 --> 02:16:20,230
the forum what srl stands for it's

3250
02:16:25,709 --> 02:16:23,170
probably Steve our Lois or something yes

3251
02:16:27,690 --> 02:16:25,719
but in the immense effort of extracting

3252
02:16:30,650 --> 02:16:27,700
oneself from the seemingly hopeless

3253
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:30,660
morass commonly referred to as ufology

3254
02:16:35,430 --> 02:16:33,130
quote unquote out of the box thinkers

3255
02:16:37,890 --> 02:16:35,440
have been suggested in providing

3256
02:16:39,660 --> 02:16:37,900
meaningful traction in the spirit of

3257
02:16:41,549 --> 02:16:39,670
said traction I would like to ask if

3258
02:16:42,719 --> 02:16:41,559
there has been any consideration given

3259
02:16:45,990 --> 02:16:42,729
to the Pennings

3260
02:16:48,450 --> 02:16:46,000
of either Jeffry crippled or Bernardo

3261
02:16:51,570 --> 02:16:48,460
Kastrup I'm not even familiar with those

3262
02:16:53,459 --> 02:16:51,580
two names if not an outside of the

3263
02:16:57,900 --> 02:16:53,469
present company who else may be

3264
02:17:01,830 --> 02:16:57,910
suggested as plausible who's Jeffrey

3265
02:17:03,540 --> 02:17:01,840
and Bernardo Castro Greg or no

3266
02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:03,550
no I haven't heard of crippled I have

3267
02:17:09,650 --> 02:17:06,610
but I haven't read any of his stuff this

3268
02:17:12,030 --> 02:17:09,660
the the out-of-the-box thinking that

3269
02:17:14,400 --> 02:17:12,040
that I've mentioned before and I always

3270
02:17:17,820 --> 02:17:14,410
go back to of course our you know Kailen

3271
02:17:19,830 --> 02:17:17,830
delay and then there's others like Jim

3272
02:17:24,350 --> 02:17:19,840
brand and stuff the couple of books he

3273
02:17:31,370 --> 02:17:28,530
who was the guy that wrote the I can see

3274
02:17:36,030 --> 02:17:31,380
the cover but I can't think of it and

3275
02:17:38,759 --> 02:17:36,040
such a strange thing as unconventional

3276
02:17:43,919 --> 02:17:38,769
frock flying objects by Paul Hill read

3277
02:17:44,549 --> 02:17:43,929
that one very interesting any a streamer

3278
02:17:47,850 --> 02:17:44,559
stuff

3279
02:17:49,650 --> 02:17:47,860
who else is very influential Robert

3280
02:17:52,680 --> 02:17:49,660
Anton Wilson and we've talked about him

3281
02:17:54,540 --> 02:17:52,690
on my show and that's just a you know a

3282
02:17:57,780 --> 02:17:54,550
way of looking at about looking at

3283
02:18:00,419 --> 02:17:57,790
things and thinking about them yeah Greg

3284
02:18:01,740 --> 02:18:00,429
little his couple of books people of the

3285
02:18:05,759 --> 02:18:01,750
web and what was the other one do you

3286
02:18:07,709 --> 02:18:05,769
remember the other net title no I'm not

3287
02:18:10,350 --> 02:18:07,719
I haven't really read little stuff but

3288
02:18:13,200 --> 02:18:10,360
several people did I respect and think

3289
02:18:14,969 --> 02:18:13,210
highly of him yeah Mac Tony's book the

3290
02:18:16,830 --> 02:18:14,979
crypto terrestrials at that one I

3291
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:16,840
thought was you know apart from him

3292
02:18:19,950 --> 02:18:18,250
being a friend of mine I thought it and

3293
02:18:21,719 --> 02:18:19,960
he was you know we've had you know

3294
02:18:24,660 --> 02:18:21,729
talked about him on the show on your

3295
02:18:27,150 --> 02:18:24,670
show quite a bit well that's another one

3296
02:18:29,190 --> 02:18:27,160
I'm Bearden is one that died I always

3297
02:18:32,040 --> 02:18:29,200
found fascinating some of his stuff is

3298
02:18:35,850 --> 02:18:32,050
pretty out there but but really smart

3299
02:18:37,589 --> 02:18:35,860
very very smart enough to speed yeah I'm

3300
02:18:39,750 --> 02:18:37,599
not standing next to my bookshelf and

3301
02:18:41,759 --> 02:18:39,760
there's there's many many many more but

3302
02:18:43,940 --> 02:18:41,769
these are not names you normally hear

3303
02:18:47,190 --> 02:18:43,950
associated with you I made Michelle

3304
02:18:49,919 --> 02:18:47,200
another one of the valets influences

3305
02:18:57,690 --> 02:18:49,929
yeah for he wrote some books back in the

3306
02:19:01,080 --> 02:18:57,700
1950s yeah you know Charles Ford I think

3307
02:19:04,320 --> 02:19:01,090
anybody who's really looking to get a

3308
02:19:07,169 --> 02:19:04,330
sense of the how bewildering all these

3309
02:19:09,299 --> 02:19:07,179
subjects can be there's no better place

3310
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:09,309
to start than the three books of Charles

3311
02:19:16,080 --> 02:19:13,210
for it which of course wild towns low

3312
02:19:19,759 --> 02:19:16,090
and what the Damned book of the Damned

3313
02:19:22,860 --> 02:19:19,769
book of the Damned yeah very very very

3314
02:19:26,490 --> 02:19:22,870
highly recommended calling Wilson's

3315
02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:26,500
another one yes yes quite quite so very

3316
02:19:32,810 --> 02:19:29,290
good stuff I could come up with with

3317
02:19:35,940 --> 02:19:32,820
some other names as well Michael Talbot

3318
02:19:39,259 --> 02:19:35,950
universe Michael Talbot yeah extremely

3319
02:19:41,940 --> 02:19:39,269
good Terence Mckenna another just

3320
02:19:45,150 --> 02:19:41,950
amazingly out-of-the-box thinker just an

3321
02:19:48,270 --> 02:19:45,160
incredible insight and just an amazing

3322
02:19:52,260 --> 02:19:48,280
out-of-the-box thinker I can't recommend

3323
02:20:00,240 --> 02:19:52,270
his work enough mm-hmm exactly

3324
02:20:02,219 --> 02:20:00,250
yeah except you know forget Keo who

3325
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:02,229
would you suggest as an out-of-the-box

3326
02:20:06,780 --> 02:20:04,960
thinker is a good person to read well

3327
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:06,790
the classic out-of-the-box thinker was

3328
02:20:12,120 --> 02:20:10,000
none other than John keel right you know

3329
02:20:13,710 --> 02:20:12,130
Greg mentioned keel and belly first off

3330
02:20:16,110 --> 02:20:13,720
I would go with him I would go with

3331
02:20:18,540 --> 02:20:16,120
those certainly I would agree about the

3332
02:20:21,480 --> 02:20:18,550
crypto terrestrials because the late Mac

3333
02:20:23,791 --> 02:20:21,490
Tony's took us in directions that we

3334
02:20:26,701 --> 02:20:23,801
hadn't really explored that much

3335
02:20:30,711 --> 02:20:26,711
and it was so nice but so sad because it

3336
02:20:33,780 --> 02:20:30,721
was like a sketch of a much larger idea

3337
02:20:36,480 --> 02:20:33,790
and he didn't have the time to flesh it

3338
02:20:38,341 --> 02:20:36,490
out and unfortunately I don't see other

3339
02:20:40,051 --> 02:20:38,351
people really fleshing it out that much

3340
02:20:43,501 --> 02:20:40,061
and we talk about all these different

3341
02:20:46,320 --> 02:20:43,511
people and authors and and the thing is

3342
02:20:47,820 --> 02:20:46,330
that a lot of them don't agree with each

3343
02:20:50,730 --> 02:20:47,830
other and they have all kinds of

3344
02:20:53,730 --> 02:20:50,740
different ideas and that's good that's

3345
02:20:56,761 --> 02:20:53,740
perfect you know it's nice to live in

3346
02:20:58,110 --> 02:20:56,771
somebody's you know a headspace or

3347
02:21:00,661 --> 02:20:58,120
they're there they're there their

3348
02:21:02,310 --> 02:21:00,671
theories for a while and take from them

3349
02:21:04,140 --> 02:21:02,320
what you you think is important or

3350
02:21:05,131 --> 02:21:04,150
interesting you don't have to buy a hook

3351
02:21:07,051 --> 02:21:05,141
line and sinker

3352
02:21:11,041 --> 02:21:07,061
no you don't even have to like any of it

3353
02:21:12,600 --> 02:21:11,051
but but the point is to to read things

3354
02:21:14,820 --> 02:21:12,610
that are different and expose yourself

3355
02:21:16,291 --> 02:21:14,830
the things that are different because as

3356
02:21:18,661 --> 02:21:16,301
we were talking about before you know

3357
02:21:20,371 --> 02:21:18,671
that it you will indirectly come to some

3358
02:21:23,640 --> 02:21:20,381
of these ideas on your own just by

3359
02:21:25,320 --> 02:21:23,650
absorbing all this information and to

3360
02:21:28,711 --> 02:21:25,330
some kind of understanding of it and it

3361
02:21:31,980 --> 02:21:28,721
might in it probably if it's valuable if

3362
02:21:36,570 --> 02:21:31,990
it's valid and and and you know and and

3363
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:36,580
and you stick with it it it's it will be

3364
02:21:43,350 --> 02:21:41,200
your eye you know that your your way of

3365
02:21:45,150 --> 02:21:43,360
looking at it and it's and there's a lot

3366
02:21:47,430 --> 02:21:45,160
of ideas under there as like I said we

3367
02:21:51,480 --> 02:21:47,440
talked about before that are in direct

3368
02:21:54,810 --> 02:21:51,490
and intuitional and what was intuitive

3369
02:21:56,791 --> 02:21:54,820
I'm sorry that you might not be able to

3370
02:21:59,060 --> 02:21:56,801
get across to other people but you've

3371
02:22:01,551 --> 02:21:59,070
enriched yourself about the subject by

3372
02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:01,561
exposing yourself to all these different

3373
02:22:07,741 --> 02:22:05,530
points of view I think somebody on UFO

3374
02:22:08,911 --> 02:22:07,751
mystic one time just said why don't we

3375
02:22:11,220 --> 02:22:08,921
live in these points one of the

3376
02:22:12,720 --> 02:22:11,230
commodores said it's it be it's fun to

3377
02:22:15,301 --> 02:22:12,730
live in somebody's point of view for a

3378
02:22:17,011 --> 02:22:15,311
while without buying into it you don't

3379
02:22:18,331 --> 02:22:17,021
have to buy into it that's a problem a

3380
02:22:20,310 --> 02:22:18,341
lot of people have it's like well this

3381
02:22:22,860 --> 02:22:20,320
is the person I follow and this is idea

3382
02:22:27,241 --> 02:22:22,870
that I have well if you're talking about

3383
02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:27,251
UFOs that's the exact wrong you're gonna

3384
02:22:31,741 --> 02:22:29,530
be wrong in so many ways yeah yeah you

3385
02:22:34,110 --> 02:22:31,751
can't you can't put all your chips on

3386
02:22:37,410 --> 02:22:34,120
one hand or all your eggs in one basket

3387
02:22:41,519 --> 02:22:37,420
I mean you should always read

3388
02:22:44,939 --> 02:22:41,529
research and do investigations from a

3389
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:44,949
place of objectivity and not buying into

3390
02:22:50,849 --> 02:22:47,770
any of it you need to see what really

3391
02:22:54,269 --> 02:22:50,859
kind of strikes you deeply at your core

3392
02:22:56,610 --> 02:22:54,279
how you're in intuitive sense responds

3393
02:22:59,160 --> 02:22:56,620
to certain information some stuff has a

3394
02:23:02,460 --> 02:22:59,170
real ring to it other stuff you're like

3395
02:23:05,099 --> 02:23:02,470
yeah maybe yeah but there is a core of

3396
02:23:07,229 --> 02:23:05,109
information that will be important for

3397
02:23:09,240 --> 02:23:07,239
you if you allow yourself to be open and

3398
02:23:11,070 --> 02:23:09,250
objective enough yeah you have to

3399
02:23:12,990 --> 02:23:11,080
remember when you first started reading

3400
02:23:16,769 --> 02:23:13,000
UFO books and your childlike wonder

3401
02:23:18,420 --> 02:23:16,779
about it keep that you know it's really

3402
02:23:22,170 --> 02:23:18,430
hard to keep that after a while you get

3403
02:23:24,030 --> 02:23:22,180
cynical and jaded 'inna yeah and Jade it

3404
02:23:26,550 --> 02:23:24,040
and all that and yeah we're all cynical

3405
02:23:28,349 --> 02:23:26,560
and jaded yeah I know Jean is in you are

3406
02:23:31,469 --> 02:23:28,359
Chris and a lot of people listening but

3407
02:23:35,969 --> 02:23:31,479
you don't have to be I'm cynical he's

3408
02:23:38,519 --> 02:23:35,979
jaded okay but you know they're still

3409
02:23:40,710 --> 02:23:38,529
partly like you know that you know the

3410
02:23:42,420 --> 02:23:40,720
question that the listener asked the

3411
02:23:44,370 --> 02:23:42,430
person in the forum what kind of books I

3412
02:23:46,229 --> 02:23:44,380
mean that suddenly were like oh god this

3413
02:23:48,570 --> 02:23:46,239
person in that person and you know and

3414
02:23:51,240 --> 02:23:48,580
that excitement comes back and I you

3415
02:23:53,070 --> 02:23:51,250
know and if you don't lose that it's

3416
02:23:56,040 --> 02:23:53,080
great you'll just keep you just keep

3417
02:23:57,929 --> 02:23:56,050
looking and keep discussing and keep

3418
02:24:00,210 --> 02:23:57,939
exploring and that you know what is know

3419
02:24:02,550 --> 02:24:00,220
what life's about I guess that's why

3420
02:24:04,139 --> 02:24:02,560
we're still here yeah yeah the way we

3421
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:04,149
have Greg Bishop and we have one more

3422
02:24:07,950 --> 02:24:05,770
segment a few more questions from

3423
02:24:10,530 --> 02:24:07,960
listeners to cover we won't get to all

3424
02:24:12,479 --> 02:24:10,540
of it and I looked and I noticed that

3425
02:24:16,500 --> 02:24:12,489
the last time Greg Bishop was on the

3426
02:24:19,380 --> 02:24:16,510
power cast was 2012 that's not right

3427
02:24:25,219 --> 02:24:19,390
we'll have to dress that with gene and

3428
02:24:30,750 --> 02:24:28,979
great minds think alike the network for

3429
02:24:35,449 --> 02:24:30,760
the independent-minded

3430
02:24:38,130 --> 02:24:35,459
the genesis communications network G C n

3431
02:24:40,080 --> 02:24:38,140
attack of the rock ODEs has been well

3432
02:24:41,910 --> 02:24:40,090
received by critics and readers alike

3433
02:24:44,460 --> 02:24:41,920
it's a thrill a minute story you'll

3434
02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:44,470
never forget a former US military

3435
02:24:49,080 --> 02:24:46,810
intelligence officer is haunted by

3436
02:24:51,689 --> 02:24:49,090
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

3437
02:24:54,449 --> 02:24:51,699
pleading for his help after a terrible

3438
02:24:56,580 --> 02:24:54,459
battle in outer space but the dreams

3439
02:24:58,559 --> 02:24:56,590
turn out to be true and thrust him into

3440
02:25:01,260 --> 02:24:58,569
a telepathic love affair with a woman

3441
02:25:03,599 --> 02:25:01,270
whose faraway planet is intent on

3442
02:25:06,449 --> 02:25:03,609
destroying the earth and now the

3443
02:25:08,880 --> 02:25:06,459
gripping tale continues in the coming of

3444
02:25:11,519 --> 02:25:08,890
the protectors it's the second book of

3445
02:25:13,710 --> 02:25:11,529
the rock ODEs trilogy a galaxy spanning

3446
02:25:16,769 --> 02:25:13,720
adventure that pits our hapless heroes

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[Music]

3532
02:28:59,920 --> 02:28:56,990
okay this is a fast evening now let me

3533
02:29:02,080 --> 02:28:59,930
tell you this is past my normal bedtime

3534
02:29:03,430 --> 02:29:02,090
okay I don't listen to the all night

3535
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:03,440
show something where I used to when I

3536
02:29:07,120 --> 02:29:05,690
was a kid never went to sleep look you

3537
02:29:09,730 --> 02:29:07,130
know as they get a little older I get up

3538
02:29:11,740 --> 02:29:09,740
earlier in the morning and right now I'm

3539
02:29:15,010 --> 02:29:11,750
usually turned in but I'm still awake

3540
02:29:18,490 --> 02:29:15,020
and I have to blame only one person for

3541
02:29:21,340 --> 02:29:18,500
that that's Greg Bishop brim blame Chris

3542
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:21,350
well I always blame the Chris but you

3543
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:22,370
know he doesn't like to be playing

3544
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:24,890
goalie oh man it's good to have some

3545
02:29:30,100 --> 02:29:27,520
company here in the blame Department

3546
02:29:31,930 --> 02:29:30,110
it's all right it's only it's come on

3547
02:29:33,880 --> 02:29:31,940
gene it's not even 11:00 o'clock at

3548
02:29:35,890 --> 02:29:33,890
night I mean you're doing good you sound

3549
02:29:37,420 --> 02:29:35,900
chipper what gene do you get up at like

3550
02:29:39,160 --> 02:29:37,430
you go to sleep at 6:00 at night and get

3551
02:29:41,920 --> 02:29:39,170
up at 3:00 in the morning already that

3552
02:29:47,800 --> 02:29:41,930
sounds like my wife no I get up about

3553
02:29:51,700 --> 02:29:47,810
6:30 in the morning or is this shadow

3554
02:29:53,230 --> 02:29:51,710
said yeah well I shouldn't laugh I'll

3555
02:29:55,690 --> 02:29:53,240
probably be heading there in the next 20

3556
02:29:58,120 --> 02:29:55,700
or 30 years myself maybe even soon okay

3557
02:30:00,640 --> 02:29:58,130
here's here's a good question again this

3558
02:30:02,350 --> 02:30:00,650
is from burnt State one of our premiere

3559
02:30:04,719 --> 02:30:02,360
posters that why isn't that guy a

3560
02:30:06,340 --> 02:30:04,729
moderator burnt State I wanted to be a

3561
02:30:08,410 --> 02:30:06,350
moderator yeah I think he should be I

3562
02:30:11,770 --> 02:30:08,420
mean he's spent a lot of time in the

3563
02:30:14,050 --> 02:30:11,780
forum some do outside ocean he makes me

3564
02:30:15,760 --> 02:30:14,060
think and I love that the posters on our

3565
02:30:18,130 --> 02:30:15,770
forms that make me think or my favorite

3566
02:30:20,490 --> 02:30:18,140
poster was in and he was a good one this

3567
02:30:24,670 --> 02:30:20,500
is a really good question

3568
02:30:27,100 --> 02:30:24,680
if you had a chance to time travel to be

3569
02:30:29,500 --> 02:30:27,110
a direct participant in a famous UFO

3570
02:30:32,290 --> 02:30:29,510
case or sighting which one would it be

3571
02:30:34,750 --> 02:30:32,300
and why and what role would you like to

3572
02:30:36,880 --> 02:30:34,760
play in the case I can't think of any

3573
02:30:40,900 --> 02:30:36,890
right now but one flashes in my mind the

3574
02:30:46,420 --> 02:30:40,910
Eagle River Wisconsin Jo Symington

3575
02:30:51,160 --> 02:30:46,430
pancake one you'd like to cook the

3576
02:30:53,050 --> 02:30:51,170
pancakes tell me about your pancakes

3577
02:30:56,860 --> 02:30:53,060
when you cook pancakes do they have

3578
02:30:59,080 --> 02:30:56,870
buckwheat in them I think yeah they said

3579
02:31:01,890 --> 02:30:59,090
they were regular old bland buckwheat

3580
02:31:04,190 --> 02:31:01,900
pancakes I don't know I mean I get the

3581
02:31:07,820 --> 02:31:04,200
kind of the suspicion that it was

3582
02:31:09,051 --> 02:31:07,830
hoax but if it wasn't I would love to I

3583
02:31:10,490 --> 02:31:09,061
don't know how I would participate I

3584
02:31:12,410 --> 02:31:10,500
guess I would have just liked to been

3585
02:31:14,990 --> 02:31:12,420
standing there with him with Joe

3586
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:15,000
Symington I guess that's one of them

3587
02:31:18,620 --> 02:31:17,610
another one would be the can I have it

3588
02:31:21,560 --> 02:31:18,630
with maple syrup

3589
02:31:23,290 --> 02:31:21,570
yes gotta have the maple syrup with a

3590
02:31:28,610 --> 02:31:23,300
buckwheat pancakes

3591
02:31:30,921 --> 02:31:28,620
even if ET were to make them yeah maple

3592
02:31:36,591 --> 02:31:30,931
syrup from k ik for people that get that

3593
02:31:38,511 --> 02:31:36,601
joke oh that's too subtle I mean the

3594
02:31:39,710 --> 02:31:38,521
other one that just comes to like

3595
02:31:41,210 --> 02:31:39,720
springs to mind I'm sure I'm forgetting

3596
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:41,220
so many great ones

3597
02:31:47,810 --> 02:31:44,690
well Rendlesham might be one but is the

3598
02:31:49,011 --> 02:31:47,820
Papua New Guinea one father William Gill

3599
02:31:51,410 --> 02:31:49,021
oh right

3600
02:31:53,990 --> 02:31:51,420
where he had the waving contest with the

3601
02:31:55,131 --> 02:31:54,000
yeah I love that one that's a classic

3602
02:31:56,660 --> 02:31:55,141
and I would have liked have been

3603
02:32:00,560 --> 02:31:56,670
standing there and had a pair of

3604
02:32:02,030 --> 02:32:00,570
binoculars yeah so yeah those are two

3605
02:32:04,850 --> 02:32:02,040
that there's a couple I can think of

3606
02:32:06,350 --> 02:32:04,860
right now and maybe sitting in sitting

3607
02:32:08,270 --> 02:32:06,360
in the room when Whitley Strieber gets

3608
02:32:10,460 --> 02:32:08,280
visited and see what happens well to see

3609
02:32:12,410 --> 02:32:10,470
if anything really happened yeah what

3610
02:32:13,970 --> 02:32:12,420
why what my suspicion is is that he's

3611
02:32:16,190 --> 02:32:13,980
lying there basically in an altered

3612
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:16,200
state and and either not moving or

3613
02:32:23,230 --> 02:32:17,610
twitching a bit and that's about it

3614
02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:23,240
I like the twitching that sounds curious

3615
02:32:27,530 --> 02:32:26,010
twitching okay now of course Whitley

3616
02:32:30,051 --> 02:32:27,540
Strieber will never come on because he

3617
02:32:33,410 --> 02:32:30,061
said gene Steinberg said I was twitchy

3618
02:32:35,570 --> 02:32:33,420
and Shipp said I was twitching therefore

3619
02:32:38,030 --> 02:32:35,580
I will not come on that show well then

3620
02:32:39,320 --> 02:32:38,040
that's his loss but it I'm not saying

3621
02:32:40,610 --> 02:32:39,330
this but good most people are gonna say

3622
02:32:42,350 --> 02:32:40,620
whoa because you think he imagined it

3623
02:32:44,631 --> 02:32:42,360
all it's like no that has nothing to do

3624
02:32:47,120 --> 02:32:44,641
with it I think that whatever happened

3625
02:32:49,881 --> 02:32:47,130
to him at some level was quite real and

3626
02:32:52,430 --> 02:32:49,891
was from an external source I'm pretty

3627
02:32:55,160 --> 02:32:52,440
sure of that now past that I don't know

3628
02:32:58,131 --> 02:32:55,170
you know how it breaks down into what

3629
02:33:01,671 --> 02:32:58,141
really happened how much he confabulated

3630
02:33:03,051 --> 02:33:01,681
himself or whatever but it would be

3631
02:33:04,881 --> 02:33:03,061
really interesting to be in the room

3632
02:33:06,770 --> 02:33:04,891
when that's happening or any abduction

3633
02:33:09,140 --> 02:33:06,780
really just to see if something what the

3634
02:33:10,790 --> 02:33:09,150
hell's going on what about the hills I

3635
02:33:12,650 --> 02:33:10,800
think that probably would have been

3636
02:33:15,921 --> 02:33:12,660
interesting to just to see it was going

3637
02:33:16,910 --> 02:33:15,931
you know was going on I I have no idea

3638
02:33:18,710 --> 02:33:16,920
what whatever

3639
02:33:19,969 --> 02:33:18,720
what I would have seen though I really

3640
02:33:21,080 --> 02:33:19,979
don't most people would have said well

3641
02:33:22,460 --> 02:33:21,090
you would have seen if ship and the

3642
02:33:24,710 --> 02:33:22,470
thing came down and then they come out

3643
02:33:26,630 --> 02:33:24,720
and stop him on the road and I don't

3644
02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:26,640
know if I would have seen that I don't

3645
02:33:30,770 --> 02:33:27,930
know if anybody third party observer

3646
02:33:34,280 --> 02:33:30,780
would see that and that's not to say

3647
02:33:36,650 --> 02:33:34,290
that again that they made it up or it

3648
02:33:39,469 --> 02:33:36,660
was a hoax or it was a misidentification

3649
02:33:43,640 --> 02:33:39,479
or a fugue state or what I have no idea

3650
02:33:45,380 --> 02:33:43,650
but a lot of the UFO cases that are

3651
02:33:47,480 --> 02:33:45,390
reported to us if they have if they're

3652
02:33:48,950 --> 02:33:47,490
more than just lights in the sky or a

3653
02:33:51,800 --> 02:33:48,960
daylight disc or something like that

3654
02:33:53,510 --> 02:33:51,810
some kind of interaction I get the

3655
02:33:56,390 --> 02:33:53,520
feeling that if I was a third party

3656
02:33:58,490 --> 02:33:56,400
observer observer of this I would not

3657
02:34:02,780 --> 02:33:58,500
have the same report on it that the the

3658
02:34:04,610 --> 02:34:02,790
witness did yeah yeah it's almost

3659
02:34:06,620 --> 02:34:04,620
guaranteed that you wouldn't yeah I mean

3660
02:34:08,570 --> 02:34:06,630
this is not it's not a new idea either

3661
02:34:10,760 --> 02:34:08,580
that the just I think the lay came up

3662
02:34:13,610 --> 02:34:10,770
with this the proximity to whatever's

3663
02:34:17,360 --> 02:34:13,620
going on the closer you get to it the

3664
02:34:20,570 --> 02:34:17,370
more you get affected by it at the time

3665
02:34:23,030 --> 02:34:20,580
and more importantly later yeah you know

3666
02:34:27,170 --> 02:34:23,040
the proximity to whatever the phenomena

3667
02:34:28,490 --> 02:34:27,180
is affects your perception of it that

3668
02:34:29,660 --> 02:34:28,500
answer the question I can't remember

3669
02:34:31,820 --> 02:34:29,670
what the question was any important

3670
02:34:35,630 --> 02:34:31,830
right so I will make up a question to

3671
02:34:38,210 --> 02:34:35,640
feel I like to visit as a time traveler

3672
02:34:40,390 --> 02:34:38,220
and what role would you play yeah I

3673
02:34:42,860 --> 02:34:40,400
would always I would like to be a

3674
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:42,870
observer that was looking at all these

3675
02:34:49,190 --> 02:34:46,650
things from from maybe not even near the

3676
02:34:51,200 --> 02:34:49,200
near the witnesses like away from them

3677
02:34:53,870 --> 02:34:51,210
not near the group of witnesses but off

3678
02:34:56,960 --> 02:34:53,880
by myself at another vantage point right

3679
02:35:00,020 --> 02:34:56,970
an overview an overview yeah without

3680
02:35:02,600 --> 02:35:00,030
binoculars alternate view anyway yeah

3681
02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:02,610
well what is he this comes from Joey 22

3682
02:35:07,190 --> 02:35:05,490
Joey K 22 and it has to be the last

3683
02:35:08,660 --> 02:35:07,200
question I think yeah he's been a member

3684
02:35:10,760 --> 02:35:08,670
for a long time you pulled him out of

3685
02:35:13,219 --> 02:35:10,770
the woodwork he spent five years and

3686
02:35:15,170 --> 02:35:13,229
only asked 31 questions or had 31

3687
02:35:17,960 --> 02:35:15,180
messages on our form what is your theory

3688
02:35:19,370 --> 02:35:17,970
on Bigfoot Greg and exactly what are

3689
02:35:21,530 --> 02:35:19,380
people seen when they claim to see a

3690
02:35:23,420 --> 02:35:21,540
classic Bigfoot is it rational to

3691
02:35:25,790 --> 02:35:23,430
theorize a Bigfoot is an

3692
02:35:28,610 --> 02:35:25,800
interdimensional travel traveler since

3693
02:35:30,380 --> 02:35:28,620
physical evidence eludes us yeah I

3694
02:35:30,830 --> 02:35:30,390
pretty much agree with that assessment I

3695
02:35:34,189 --> 02:35:30,840
don't think

3696
02:35:36,410 --> 02:35:34,199
Bigfoot is a hairy hominid that lives in

3697
02:35:38,630 --> 02:35:36,420
places where we can't find them yeah

3698
02:35:40,130 --> 02:35:38,640
karl shuker and Loren Coleman David

3699
02:35:42,019 --> 02:35:40,140
Childress Nicorette from the probably

3700
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:42,029
disagree with you on that freeze with me

3701
02:35:47,540 --> 02:35:44,250
but Nick Nick Nick would agree yeah yeah

3702
02:35:50,689 --> 02:35:47,550
as far as we can hammer definitions in

3703
02:35:54,740 --> 02:35:50,699
in in language is that I think it is a a

3704
02:35:57,349 --> 02:35:54,750
paranormal entity which is physical at

3705
02:35:59,660 --> 02:35:57,359
some times or has properties of being

3706
02:36:01,250 --> 02:35:59,670
physical occasionally and it's kind of

3707
02:36:02,929 --> 02:36:01,260
like UFOs you know every time you see a

3708
02:36:05,479 --> 02:36:02,939
video or something if it's not a hoax

3709
02:36:07,519 --> 02:36:05,489
it's like why is it so far away or why

3710
02:36:09,229 --> 02:36:07,529
is it well I don't know what people

3711
02:36:11,540 --> 02:36:09,239
think of the Patterson film but why is

3712
02:36:14,149 --> 02:36:11,550
it always so indistinct yeah blob

3713
02:36:17,719 --> 02:36:14,159
Squatch yeah exactly and the funny thing

3714
02:36:24,889 --> 02:36:17,729
is like UFO videos and films the closer

3715
02:36:27,769 --> 02:36:24,899
it is the faker it looks it was in the

3716
02:36:29,630 --> 02:36:27,779
Amazon he had a sighting of what he

3717
02:36:31,700 --> 02:36:29,640
described as exactly like the famous

3718
02:36:33,559 --> 02:36:31,710
George Adamski photographs the three

3719
02:36:35,689 --> 02:36:33,569
balls underneath yes and it flew right

3720
02:36:38,359 --> 02:36:35,699
over him and he said it looked okay now

3721
02:36:40,399 --> 02:36:38,369
but it was will yeah before we get too

3722
02:36:42,500 --> 02:36:40,409
hokey we gotta kind of wrap this up Greg

3723
02:36:44,359 --> 02:36:42,510
Bishop please tell our listeners where

3724
02:36:46,309 --> 02:36:44,369
they can find more of the things that

3725
02:36:48,830 --> 02:36:46,319
you do or don't do depending on your

3726
02:36:51,229 --> 02:36:48,840
point of view until I write something

3727
02:36:54,139 --> 02:36:51,239
else which I'm kind of working on the

3728
02:36:56,660 --> 02:36:54,149
last remaining public thing that I do is

3729
02:37:00,500 --> 02:36:56,670
my radio show radio mysterioso which is

3730
02:37:04,040 --> 02:37:00,510
on if it is on live on Sundays from 8:00

3731
02:37:06,859 --> 02:37:04,050
to 10:00 p.m. Pacific time at kill radio

3732
02:37:10,090 --> 02:37:06,869
org just a lot how it's spelled or they

3733
02:37:15,170 --> 02:37:10,100
can go to radio mysterioso ra di o mi

3734
02:37:17,660 --> 02:37:15,180
STR io Sol Dec it is in Spanish dot-com

3735
02:37:20,330 --> 02:37:17,670
there are archive shows there you can

3736
02:37:21,979 --> 02:37:20,340
also subscribe to it on iTunes they're

3737
02:37:23,090 --> 02:37:21,989
done live if you hear them live it's

3738
02:37:24,380 --> 02:37:23,100
probably the only time you ever gonna

3739
02:37:26,330 --> 02:37:24,390
hear them that way because I will

3740
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:26,340
usually do a bit of editing a little or

3741
02:37:31,910 --> 02:37:28,010
a lot but somewhere in the middle

3742
02:37:35,330 --> 02:37:31,920
usually and all I have to say is usually

3743
02:37:36,620 --> 02:37:35,340
what is said on the show and/or when I'm

3744
02:37:39,950 --> 02:37:36,630
doing an interview like I am with you

3745
02:37:42,171 --> 02:37:39,960
guys my doesn't talk he has an oath of

3746
02:37:44,780 --> 02:37:42,181
silence so he says nothing

3747
02:37:47,631 --> 02:37:44,790
my favorite show to be a guest on well

3748
02:37:50,270 --> 02:37:47,641
thank you first I mean that I said that

3749
02:37:52,371 --> 02:37:50,280
many times let's do our wrap-up you can

3750
02:37:54,140 --> 02:37:52,381
find us on Twitter we're known as the

3751
02:37:57,261 --> 02:37:54,150
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3752
02:37:59,810 --> 02:37:57,271
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3753
02:38:01,520 --> 02:37:59,820
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3754
02:38:03,740 --> 02:38:01,530
combine them we'd have to kill one and

3755
02:38:06,081 --> 02:38:03,750
that's not going to happen we don't like

3756
02:38:08,270 --> 02:38:06,091
to kill anything and well so we have

3757
02:38:10,490 --> 02:38:08,280
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3758
02:38:14,091 --> 02:38:10,500
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3759
02:38:14,631 --> 02:38:14,101
calm PL us stop the power cast calm go

3760
02:38:18,350 --> 02:38:14,641
there

3761
02:38:21,110 --> 02:38:18,360
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3762
02:38:23,841 --> 02:38:21,120
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3763
02:38:26,720 --> 02:38:23,851
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3764
02:38:30,530 --> 02:38:26,730
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3765
02:38:32,240 --> 02:38:30,540
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3766
02:38:34,850 --> 02:38:32,250
calm just like it sounds

3767
02:38:36,650 --> 02:38:34,860
you can order his books there get them

3768
02:38:38,780 --> 02:38:36,660
autograph for the print versions you

3769
02:38:40,820 --> 02:38:38,790
can't really autograph it Kindle

3770
02:38:42,350 --> 02:38:40,830
versions but that's how it goes Greg

3771
02:38:44,541 --> 02:38:42,360
Bishop thanks for joining us on the

3772
02:38:53,300 --> 02:38:44,551
power cast thanks very much guys I

3773
02:38:59,849 --> 02:38:56,820
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3774
02:39:02,690 --> 02:38:59,859
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3775
02:39:06,450 --> 02:39:02,700
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